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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 5778948" data-attributes="member: 467">They are very different games and I think serve very different needs. The Pathfinder Beginner box is designed for just that, beginners. It harkens back to the 1983 basic D&amp;D set, actually teaching you how to play (even including a solo adventure). That said, it is a pretty complete, moderately stripped down version of Pathfinder and you certainly can't beat the price to contents ratio. And it's probably got a few solid months of play in it, more if streamlined low level play appeals.Hackmaster Basic is a different animal. It too serves as an introduction to a more robust game -- which isn't out yet -- but is less of a &quot;teaching tool&quot; IMO. It feels a little unfinished, even Beta-like, but it is still fun. My biggest complaint is that they managed to flub an otherwise inspired example of play by failing to include any magic use.As an aside, easily the coolest aspect of HMb is the initiative system and is well worth stealing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 5778948, member: 467"] They are very different games and I think serve very different needs. The Pathfinder Beginner box is designed for just that, beginners. It harkens back to the 1983 basic D&D set, actually teaching you how to play (even including a solo adventure). That said, it is a pretty complete, moderately stripped down version of Pathfinder and you certainly can't beat the price to contents ratio. And it's probably got a few solid months of play in it, more if streamlined low level play appeals. Hackmaster Basic is a different animal. It too serves as an introduction to a more robust game -- which isn't out yet -- but is less of a "teaching tool" IMO. It feels a little unfinished, even Beta-like, but it is still fun. My biggest complaint is that they managed to flub an otherwise inspired example of play by failing to include any magic use. As an aside, easily the coolest aspect of HMb is the initiative system and is well worth stealing. [/QUOTE]

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