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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 1719951" data-attributes="member: 3424">I do recall it was mentioned that the LA for the Saint template was lower than it should be because it was meant as a reward.Anyway, I would just like to add that the half-celestial template synergizes very well with the paladin class in my view, so LA +4 is not excessive. Consider the following:Strength +4 means that you are attacking at a net -2 to hit and +2 to damage for melee attacks. If you're wielding a one-handed weapon, it's the equivalent of power attacking for 2.Consititution +4 means that your hit points will eventually catch up to (and may even exceed) those of a regular paladin.  In addition, the bonus to Fortitude exactly offsets the reduction in base saves.Dexterity +2 may be less useful, especially if you're up against your maximum Dexterity bonus for armor. The bonus to ranged attacks only partly offsets the BAB loss, and the bonus to Reflex saves offsets the reduction in base saves most but not all of the time. The only real edge is a small bonus to initiative checks.Intelligence +2 also means that skill points will eventually catch up to those of a regular paladin, although you will still be behind in terms of maximum ranks.Wisdom +4 means your will save will be better than that of a regular paladin most of the time, and equal the rest of the time. The extra bonus spells will only partly offset the loss of paladin spells (but then, you have all those spell-like abilities). Charisma +4 is the real bonus. When smiting evil, you will hit as well as a regular paladin, although at a net -2 to damage (-1 if using a two-handed weapon). Your lay on hands ability will also catch up to that of a regular paladin, and your save bonus will always be better (Constitution, Dexterity and Wisdom increases also help here).The extra smite evil means that you can smite evil as often as or more often than a regular paladin (although you don't get to add your charisma bonus to hit - something that has always bugged me about this ability).In addition, you get wings, resistance to acid 10, cold 10 and electricity 10, damage reduction 10/magic and spell resistance HD+10. I do concede that many of these can be duplicated or made irrelevant with the right equipment, though.The final advantage to the half-celestial template is a whole load of spell-like abilities from Protection from Evil to Holy Smite to Holy Aura to Mass Charm Moster to Summon Monster IX to Resurrection.All in all, I would say that the half-celestial template is about balanced at LA +4 for a paladin. Other classes may not find that it synergises as well.</blockquote>

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