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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1721866" data-attributes="member: 707"><p>This is only true if you're fighting one, very tough opponent. Against a larger number of less powerful opponents, those iterative attacks are going to have a very serious effect. And against a single, powerful opponent, the paladin can always choose to apply his Smite Evil to an iterative attack, giving him several attacks with good chance to hit.Right. I consider the spells he couldn't ordinarily gain access to, such as Holy Word and Holy Aura, to be very valuable. The spells that he gains that duplicate paladin spells are mostly redundant, and so I give them less weight when considering the balance of the template as a whole.I guess so. Thanks for the discussion, though, you've given me a lot to think about. I still have five levels or so to consider what to suggest/request as a player. If I find my character as a straight paladin to be on the strong side as-is, I'll probably refrain from suggesting it. If I find my paladin of equivalent strength to most other party members, I may suggest the template at a +2 LA, but without the wings (as Hyp mentioned many people seem to find balanced). And if I find my paladin being overwhelmed by the <em>animal growth</em>ed, <em>wildshape</em>d druid and her animal companion, the cleric, and the greataxe-wielding fighter, then perhaps I'll just ask for the template as listed in the BoED--a straight +2 LA--and see what happens. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Thanks for the discussion, FireLance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 1721866, member: 707"] This is only true if you're fighting one, very tough opponent. Against a larger number of less powerful opponents, those iterative attacks are going to have a very serious effect. And against a single, powerful opponent, the paladin can always choose to apply his Smite Evil to an iterative attack, giving him several attacks with good chance to hit.Right. I consider the spells he couldn't ordinarily gain access to, such as Holy Word and Holy Aura, to be very valuable. The spells that he gains that duplicate paladin spells are mostly redundant, and so I give them less weight when considering the balance of the template as a whole.I guess so. Thanks for the discussion, though, you've given me a lot to think about. I still have five levels or so to consider what to suggest/request as a player. If I find my character as a straight paladin to be on the strong side as-is, I'll probably refrain from suggesting it. If I find my paladin of equivalent strength to most other party members, I may suggest the template at a +2 LA, but without the wings (as Hyp mentioned many people seem to find balanced). And if I find my paladin being overwhelmed by the [i]animal growth[/i]ed, [i]wildshape[/i]d druid and her animal companion, the cleric, and the greataxe-wielding fighter, then perhaps I'll just ask for the template as listed in the BoED--a straight +2 LA--and see what happens. :) Thanks for the discussion, FireLance. [/QUOTE]
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