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<blockquote data-quote="Sodalis" data-source="post: 108561" data-attributes="member: 1791">that's exactly what i said (in original post)but then reduced to use the 1/2 orc core class to make things easier.&nbsp; if you use orc as base creature, you would first have to find the skill and stat mod for it, and its abilities.&nbsp; And then add teh template- quite a bit of work just to start a char- and then you have to roll out the normal char- and stuff like that.I still think that the game has evolved into a game of &quot;who can build the most unique char...&quot;What happened to playing a standard race (or even a nonstandard +1 ECL race) and workin within the skills alotted.&nbsp; NOw, all I hear is people stacking templates, and using the weirdest races imaginable- even race combos that are idiotically meshed together like celestial fiend..... I wonder who came up wuith that...?Anyhoo- I feel nobody is playing teh game for fun anymore. Instead, its a pissing contest on who can build the better PC.&nbsp; And the result is this odd mix of race and class for &quot;flavor&quot; and players arent relying on RPing skills anymore...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sodalis, post: 108561, member: 1791"] that's exactly what i said (in original post) but then reduced to use the 1/2 orc core class to make things easier. if you use orc as base creature, you would first have to find the skill and stat mod for it, and its abilities. And then add teh template- quite a bit of work just to start a char- and then you have to roll out the normal char- and stuff like that. I still think that the game has evolved into a game of "who can build the most unique char..." What happened to playing a standard race (or even a nonstandard +1 ECL race) and workin within the skills alotted. NOw, all I hear is people stacking templates, and using the weirdest races imaginable- even race combos that are idiotically meshed together like celestial fiend..... I wonder who came up wuith that...? Anyhoo- I feel nobody is playing teh game for fun anymore. Instead, its a pissing contest on who can build the better PC. And the result is this odd mix of race and class for "flavor" and players arent relying on RPing skills anymore... [/QUOTE]

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