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Message: <blockquote data-quote="apsuman" data-source="post: 1149860" data-attributes="member: 1769">Enlarge is actually Enlarge Person, and as such will not work on a half dragon.The Half-Dragon template increases the HD to the next highest hit die, capping at d12 (sorry barbarians).  So, a level 20 FTR w/22 Con would have 234.5 HP, a level 17 Half Dragon FTR w/24 Con would have 226.  A difference of 6.5.A level 20 FTR would have a BAB of +20/+15/+10/+5A level 17 FTR would have a BAB of +17/+12/+7With Improved Natual Attack his Bite would be d8, and if taken a second time, his claw would be d6.Also, Multiattack would make his natual attacks to +17/+15/+15Assuming that the magic items gathered by the Half-Dragon will match the + to hit/Damage that the human's magic weapons have.  Now the +8 to STR makes the Half-Dragon's natual attacks +21/+16/+16If there were an opponent that required an 11 or higher for the human to hit his average damage against siad opponent would be 50% hit on first attack + 25% to hit on attack number 2 + 5% to hit on attack number 3 + 5% to hit on attack number 4.  HIs average damage would be:85% * (weapon damage + str bonus + magic) or85% * weapon damage + 85%*(str bonus + magic)Using the same math for the half dragon, average damage would be:55%*(4.5  + str bonus + magic) + 60% * (3.5 + str bonus + magic) or3.575 + 115% * (str bonus + magic)so, the question here is one of the Str bonus plus the magic bonus of the half dragon overcoming the (assumed) higher damage from the weapon of the human.  Given that the +4 from the STR is almost as good as the +5 weapon the human surely has, an amulet of magic fang only has to be +1 to make it even and an amulet of +4 would really boost it up.So, I think the +3 ecl is about right.g!</blockquote>

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