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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RyvenCedrylle" data-source="post: 4767725" data-attributes="member: 66726"><p>Let's consider who at this point could be outshining the Bard herself at Diplomacy?  It has to be someone carrying around a lot of CHA in the first place - so that's likely to be narrowed down to the Warlock or Sorcerer.  Maybe a Rogue, Barbarian or Paladin, but that's a secondary stat for any of them.  Point being, 12 of the 18 playable classes aren't packing a CHA close to yours, so while you might be effectively giving them training in Diplomacy (or any CHA skill for that matter), you've still got them in pure stats.  Of the other 5 that (might) rival your CHA, only the Paladin and Sorcerer get the chance to train in Diplomacy; anyone else had to blow a feat or play a specific race to do it.  Really, you're looking at half-dozen or less builds of all the playable classes than can run with you in optimizing Diplomacy.  So even if you're handing that Sorcerer an extra +5 on top of his 10+level, you get Words of Friendship, and you're even.  In short, making a character who actually becomes better at Diplomacy than the Bard in the presence of a Half-Elf Emissary is, IMHO, almost a design goal in itself and probably a corner case.</p></blockquote><p></p>