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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 7884403" data-attributes="member: 6687260">I think variant humans are competitive, but perhaps less obviously so.I was attracted to half-elves initially but over time have decided that...The two skill trainings are overvalued.  Simple proficiency doesn't do that much and often you get enough skills overall that you cover what you feel is important for your character.The feat is undervalued.  I think feats are more attractive to martial classes, but casters tend to undervalue what they can get from some feats such as 'Lucky'.They are still obviously very good.  One game we played recently was 3 Half-Elves and 2 humans.Because half-elves can choose two of their stat bumps they can fit a lot of character concepts well.  There are also too many classes that use Charisma as a main ability.Races that are basically human + (something to add a little bit more interest) will always appeal to players who don't have strong preferences to play something non-human.</blockquote>