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<blockquote data-quote="Bront" data-source="post: 2885001" data-attributes="member: 19696">Instead, how about the Bard with Point Blank and Precise shot vs Point Blank shot?&nbsp; He's not quite as good a dimplomat at 1st level, but a significantly better and more useful combatant and support for the party.Marginalizing a feat on skills is ever a good idea.&nbsp; An extra feat is huge, and keep in mind, those 4 extra skill points can help in ways flat bonuses don't (Taking 2 cross class trained use only skills for example).Granted, as a bard, Half-Elves are fairly reasonable, but then again, see my above post.&nbsp; Bards aren't exactly the best class either.As a Fighter, they're fairly close, because the extra feat is less meaningfull to a fighter, and skills are in a similar situation, and lowlight is nice.&nbsp; I'd call this a draw.,As a Paladin, Barbarian, or Ranger, the bonus feat is quite useful, as are the extra skill points.&nbsp; Lowlight doesn't hurt, and if you have a social paladin, the half-elf bonuses are nice.&nbsp; Advantage Human.As a Rogue, the feat is useful, and even with 8 skills, sometimes that's not enough.&nbsp; The social bonuses are nice for a face rogue though, and lowlight can be nice.&nbsp; Slight Advantage to Humans.As a Wizard, skill points are nice, the feat could be very useful, while the bonus skills from the half-elf are almost meaningless, and you can get a spell to replicate lowlight/darkvision, or create your own light.&nbsp; Advantage Human.Sorcerer is about the same as a Wizard, though the social advantages mean a little bit more with a high charisma.&nbsp; Advantage Human, though less so.Cleric or Druid, Feats are scarce again, so feats are nice.&nbsp; Social skills can be good for a particular cleric build, but skill points are usefull as well for those same builds.&nbsp; Lowlight may not be needed, particularly for the druid who can shapechange.&nbsp; Advantage Human.So, that gives Bards and some Rogue, Paladin, and Fighter builds that work better as a half-elf somewhat, to generaly more advantagious builds by the human with just about everything else.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bront, post: 2885001, member: 19696"] Instead, how about the Bard with Point Blank and Precise shot vs Point Blank shot? He's not quite as good a dimplomat at 1st level, but a significantly better and more useful combatant and support for the party. Marginalizing a feat on skills is ever a good idea. An extra feat is huge, and keep in mind, those 4 extra skill points can help in ways flat bonuses don't (Taking 2 cross class trained use only skills for example). Granted, as a bard, Half-Elves are fairly reasonable, but then again, see my above post. Bards aren't exactly the best class either. As a Fighter, they're fairly close, because the extra feat is less meaningfull to a fighter, and skills are in a similar situation, and lowlight is nice. I'd call this a draw., As a Paladin, Barbarian, or Ranger, the bonus feat is quite useful, as are the extra skill points. Lowlight doesn't hurt, and if you have a social paladin, the half-elf bonuses are nice. Advantage Human. As a Rogue, the feat is useful, and even with 8 skills, sometimes that's not enough. The social bonuses are nice for a face rogue though, and lowlight can be nice. Slight Advantage to Humans. As a Wizard, skill points are nice, the feat could be very useful, while the bonus skills from the half-elf are almost meaningless, and you can get a spell to replicate lowlight/darkvision, or create your own light. Advantage Human. Sorcerer is about the same as a Wizard, though the social advantages mean a little bit more with a high charisma. Advantage Human, though less so. Cleric or Druid, Feats are scarce again, so feats are nice. Social skills can be good for a particular cleric build, but skill points are usefull as well for those same builds. Lowlight may not be needed, particularly for the druid who can shapechange. Advantage Human. So, that gives Bards and some Rogue, Paladin, and Fighter builds that work better as a half-elf somewhat, to generaly more advantagious builds by the human with just about everything else. [/QUOTE]

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