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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 5771219" data-attributes="member: 78958">I don't get this at all. You seem to think that the following line means you add hit dice when applying the Half-Fiend template. That is not the case.You don't get +3 HD from the Half-Fiend template. The template doesn't add any hit dice whatsoever. It just gives you the Outsider type. Outsiders gain a certain number of skillpoints for their racial hit dice. That number is 8, plus your Int mod as per usual for calculating skillpoints.So, in order to calculate skillpoint gain from racial HD for a Half-Fiend, you take your racial HD only (and only if you have any), add three, and multiply the resulting number by skillpoints/level: 8+Int mod.The reason you add three to your racial HD when calculating skillpointsis that the first HD counts quadruple for the sake of calculating skillpoints. So the calculation is:First racial HD gains (8+Int mod) times 4 skillpoints,all other racial HD gain (8+Int mod) skillpoints.This results in a total of (8+Int mod) times (HD+3) skillpoints.To drive it home:All this is just about calculating skillpoints from racial HD. Humans don't have racial HD after taking up a class, any class. The Half-Fiend template doesn't add, subtract or change a Human's HD because it only affects racial HD.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 5771219, member: 78958"] I don't get this at all. You seem to think that the following line means you add hit dice when applying the Half-Fiend template. That is not the case. You don't get +3 HD from the Half-Fiend template. The template doesn't add any hit dice whatsoever. It just gives you the Outsider type. Outsiders gain a certain number of skillpoints for their [B]racial [/B]hit dice. That number is 8, plus your Int mod as per usual for calculating skillpoints. So, in order to calculate skillpoint gain from [B]racial [/B]HD for a Half-Fiend, you take your [B]racial [/B]HD only (and only if you have any), add three, and multiply the resulting number by skillpoints/level: 8+Int mod. The reason you add three to your racial HD [B]when calculating skillpoints[/B]is that the first HD counts quadruple [B]for the sake of calculating skillpoints[/B]. So the calculation is: First racial HD gains (8+Int mod) times 4 skillpoints, all other racial HD gain (8+Int mod) skillpoints. This results in a total of (8+Int mod) times (HD+3) skillpoints. To drive it home: [B]All this is just about calculating skillpoints from [U]racial[/U] HD. Humans don't have racial HD after taking up a class, any class. The Half-Fiend template doesn't add, subtract or change a Human's HD because it only affects [U]racial[/U] HD.[/B] [/QUOTE]

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