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<blockquote data-quote="Cybern" data-source="post: 1522735" data-attributes="member: 13147"><p>Hahahahah! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I haven't said it was useless, but I understood that people used the whip to touch, and by that I understood as to "melee touch". And I think that the rules do not mention melee touch attack being made with anything else but hands. That's why I asked the question.</p><p></p><p>My question is about the reach. Reach weapons double the normal reach of creatures: Medium 5+5, Large 10+10 etc. But a whip is different, it has a stated reach of 15'. Just as the ranged weapons are, but a whip is no longer a ranged weapon! Assuming this includes the normal 5' of a medium creature, then it's 10' more, or a total of 3 times the normal reach. Would that be a better example to illustrate my enigma? A whip is longer than a creature is tall. A large whip (length = X) is to a large creature (ex.: frost giant = 15') what a medium whip is to a medium creature (human = 6'). Then why would a huge creature (Titan = 25') have a reach of 25' (15' natural + 10' flat for the whip) ?? It seems wrong. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> </p><p></p><p>So, would you give only 5' more reach per size category, the medium sized having a 5' freebie? Or would you give it 3x the normal reach (3x15' = 45') ? Or simply add 10' per size greater than small (med 15', large 20', huge 25') ?</p><p></p><p>While a 45' long reach would seem abnormal, we have to remember that the titan (actually a half-giant with an augmented expansion power for huge size) who wields it is 25' tall or more! And this same titan wields a 25' long greatsword, which should not be longer (or equal) than the reach of his whip (25' as stated earlier, 15' + 10').</p><p></p><p>This ruling isn't in the PHB, I guess, because it would reduce the whip's (and other reach weapons') usefulness to small characters... the same way that a small longspear has 10' reach, even tough it is about double the size of a halfling (6'?). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cybern, post: 1522735, member: 13147"] Hahahahah! :) I haven't said it was useless, but I understood that people used the whip to touch, and by that I understood as to "melee touch". And I think that the rules do not mention melee touch attack being made with anything else but hands. That's why I asked the question. My question is about the reach. Reach weapons double the normal reach of creatures: Medium 5+5, Large 10+10 etc. But a whip is different, it has a stated reach of 15'. Just as the ranged weapons are, but a whip is no longer a ranged weapon! Assuming this includes the normal 5' of a medium creature, then it's 10' more, or a total of 3 times the normal reach. Would that be a better example to illustrate my enigma? A whip is longer than a creature is tall. A large whip (length = X) is to a large creature (ex.: frost giant = 15') what a medium whip is to a medium creature (human = 6'). Then why would a huge creature (Titan = 25') have a reach of 25' (15' natural + 10' flat for the whip) ?? It seems wrong. :confused: So, would you give only 5' more reach per size category, the medium sized having a 5' freebie? Or would you give it 3x the normal reach (3x15' = 45') ? Or simply add 10' per size greater than small (med 15', large 20', huge 25') ? While a 45' long reach would seem abnormal, we have to remember that the titan (actually a half-giant with an augmented expansion power for huge size) who wields it is 25' tall or more! And this same titan wields a 25' long greatsword, which should not be longer (or equal) than the reach of his whip (25' as stated earlier, 15' + 10'). This ruling isn't in the PHB, I guess, because it would reduce the whip's (and other reach weapons') usefulness to small characters... the same way that a small longspear has 10' reach, even tough it is about double the size of a halfling (6'?). :confused: :confused: :confused: [/QUOTE]
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