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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 870588" data-attributes="member: 6239">Ethrealness and Incorporeality are described abilites of monsters in the SRD and the DMG.&nbsp; They don't use the same underlying mechanics, they each define different ones.&nbsp; Magic Immunity is not listed.&nbsp; Spell resistance is defined, Spell Immunity is not.&nbsp; Spell Immunity is like Spell Resistance, right?Could I cast Force Cage around a Magic Immune creature?&nbsp; It is not stated that this will have any effect, but, since Force Cage doesn't allow SR, the spell should work as intended.&nbsp; It is SR that tells me this, not Magic Immunity.I would make this same arguement if Ethreal and Incorpreal ever referenced Ethreal for rules but I don't think they do.&nbsp; The don't have any common implementation.&nbsp; Spell Immunity inherits SR.&nbsp; Ethreal and Incorpreal are not related this way.I understand you say they they aren't the same.&nbsp; But they use SOME of the same rules.&nbsp; In cases where the child's action is undefined, the parent's action is use.I do hope you are an OO Prismatic Programer, or this won't make any sense.High level chacters need magic.&nbsp; Without it, they are FAR less effective.&nbsp; You have broken the balance in the other direction.Force Cage, in solid form, doesn't allow air flow.&nbsp; I assume half golems still need to breath, if they are not type construct.I am implying magic immunity is poorly written.&nbsp; DR is a supernatural ability.&nbsp; Supernatural abilites do not function on the magic immune creature. ??&nbsp; So the half-golem doesn't have DR, it being a supernatural ability.&nbsp; Taken literally, that is what it says.Magic weapons are magic, right?&nbsp; Well, the magic immune creature is immune to them (besides the shape pokey part).&nbsp; I don't think that is the way it should be, but that is the way it reads.This makes little sense, so I conclude that Magic Immunity was poorly written.&nbsp; That is exactly how I started that paragraph.&nbsp; I think the ability should be re-written to make sense.&nbsp; Then, perhaps we wouldn't need to argue over what the abilty really is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 870588, member: 6239"] Ethrealness and Incorporeality are described abilites of monsters in the SRD and the DMG. They don't use the same underlying mechanics, they each define different ones. Magic Immunity is not listed. Spell resistance is defined, Spell Immunity is not. Spell Immunity is like Spell Resistance, right? Could I cast Force Cage around a Magic Immune creature? It is not stated that this will have any effect, but, since Force Cage doesn't allow SR, the spell should work as intended. It is SR that tells me this, not Magic Immunity. I would make this same arguement if Ethreal and Incorpreal ever referenced Ethreal for rules but I don't think they do. The don't have any common implementation. Spell Immunity inherits SR. Ethreal and Incorpreal are not related this way. I understand you say they they aren't the same. But they use SOME of the same rules. In cases where the child's action is undefined, the parent's action is use. I do hope you are an OO Prismatic Programer, or this won't make any sense. High level chacters need magic. Without it, they are FAR less effective. You have broken the balance in the other direction. Force Cage, in solid form, doesn't allow air flow. I assume half golems still need to breath, if they are not type construct. I am implying magic immunity is poorly written. DR is a supernatural ability. Supernatural abilites do not function on the magic immune creature. ?? So the half-golem doesn't have DR, it being a supernatural ability. Taken literally, that is what it says. Magic weapons are magic, right? Well, the magic immune creature is immune to them (besides the shape pokey part). I don't think that is the way it should be, but that is the way it reads. This makes little sense, so I conclude that Magic Immunity was poorly written. That is exactly how I started that paragraph. I think the ability should be re-written to make sense. Then, perhaps we wouldn't need to argue over what the abilty really is. [/QUOTE]

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