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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 768751" data-attributes="member: 2167">What I meant to say, but worded poorly is that all the monsters you were comparing with (Except the Dragon and Megical Beasts) are D8 HD. Treant, Mionotaur, Outsiders (Plane Touched, Demons, Deveils, Celestial, Elementals), and Monstrous Humanoids. No humanoid creature should be compared to a Magical Beast or Dragon anyway, so all applicable comparisons are D8 HD. You also cant compare races just based on STR & CON adjustments. As for the Fighter attacks... It is a 4HD Creature with 2 Attacks!  As a Monster it gets compared to a 4th Level Character! The other reason this is SO IMPORTANT? Savage Species p. 11: If a monster gains multiple attacks in a single round before a Fighter of EQUAL HD would do the same or if the monster's natural weapons deal more damage than a simple or martial weapon it could wield in one hand, the monster gains a +1 level adjustment. AND... Savage Species p. 27: Members of the corresponding monster class are always proficient with their own natural weapons. Using a natural attack does NOT PROVOKE AN ATTACK OF OPPORTUNTY unless the class description specifies otherwise.  A monster does not gain iterative attacks on a full attack action with its natural weapons unless the class description specifies otherwise.  A monster character can use any of its natural weapons as a secondary attack at a -5 penalty on the attack, even if it doesnt choose to use its actually primary attack in a given round. The Multiattack penalty feat described in the Monster Manual can reduce the penalty on secondary attacks to -2. Example: Minotaur attacks with weapon and Gore.Lets see, so we have a 4HD being with free Weapon Proficiency feat, free Improved Unarmed Combat feat, that can wield a Weapon in each hand AND get 2 Extra Attacks per round ... for 4 attacks a round at 4th level!!!!!! Now compare THAT to the 11th Level Fighter with 3 Attacks!</blockquote>

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