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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eldorian" data-source="post: 769524" data-attributes="member: 10504">Hey, I posted a race for review, he suggested I not use it, then proceeded to say that it was 1 ecl short of the race it was based on, even though I took all the abilities and halved them.  It's not my fault that Savage species, the book he used to poorly estimate the ECL on the race, is inherently flawed.  And previously, when i said my race was better, i mean that my race has more significance to me, ie, the choice to use it, to me, was better than some other race, simply because I made it.  He never raised an objection other than using the format from savage species to estimate its ecl, which is flawed.  Else, why would they need such an "acid test", that always gives a different answer?I never once insulted him, I insulted the books he referenced, namely cause savage species has a poor ECL calculator, and I don't plan to ever buy that 3rd party races book.   No, I wanted a Treant, realised that it wouldn't fit into the game as a huge creature, so I reduced it.  My DM trusts me to make a balanced character.  In fact, I have often nerfed myself if I came up with too good an idea.  If a treant is ecl 12, and a minotaur is ECL 8, then my guy must be between ecl 6 and ecl 8, because he's between those two in power.  The highest I'd let it go is 9, without playtesting, but I think at ECL 9 it might prove weaker than normal races.As for a size catagory larger than colossal.. well, it's called colossal+ and I might just fight one with my treeman, cause it will be an epic game...Eldorian Antar</blockquote>

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