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<blockquote data-quote="Joe Liker" data-source="post: 6350017" data-attributes="member: 6777505"><p>I think everyone needs to take a step back and think about how easy it is for a rogue to get advantage anyway, even if he's not a halfling. I get the impression that they are basically <em>always</em> supposed to get sneak attack if they are playing well and are generally supposed to be able to get advantage if they put some effort into it. But personal impressions aside, here are the facts that back up my position:</p><p></p><p>In the hiding rule, "until discovered" applies only to the current instance of being hidden. Nowhere does it say you are prevented from hiding again.</p><p></p><p>Look where it says "an invisible creature can't be seen, so it can <strong>always </strong>try to hide." Not "it can always try to hide unless someone knows it's there." This proves that discovery does not prevent future attempts to hide. Even if you find a hidden invisible creature, it can try to hide again as long as it remains invisible.</p><p></p><p>In fact, the <strong>only </strong>thing that can prevent you from trying to hide is if the enemy can see you. Knowledge and awareness have nothing to do with anything.</p><p></p><p>Therefore, the wording of Naturally Stealthy ("when you are obscured only by a creature etc., etc.") must be intended to trump the sight caveat; otherwise it is meaningless.</p><p></p><p>I understand the inclination to want to keep player characters in check, and any DM is certainly within his rights to houserule this feature. But I think the spirit and letter of the rule are very clear: There is nothing to prevent a lightfoot halfling from re-hiding behind a larger creature every single round.</p><p></p><p>Bear in mind, a halfling can never gain advantage with certain weapons. Is it such a terrible thing to allow him more opportunities to gain advantage with the ones he <em>can </em>use?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Joe Liker, post: 6350017, member: 6777505"] I think everyone needs to take a step back and think about how easy it is for a rogue to get advantage anyway, even if he's not a halfling. I get the impression that they are basically [I]always[/I] supposed to get sneak attack if they are playing well and are generally supposed to be able to get advantage if they put some effort into it. But personal impressions aside, here are the facts that back up my position: In the hiding rule, "until discovered" applies only to the current instance of being hidden. Nowhere does it say you are prevented from hiding again. Look where it says "an invisible creature can't be seen, so it can [B]always [/B]try to hide." Not "it can always try to hide unless someone knows it's there." This proves that discovery does not prevent future attempts to hide. Even if you find a hidden invisible creature, it can try to hide again as long as it remains invisible. In fact, the [B]only [/B]thing that can prevent you from trying to hide is if the enemy can see you. Knowledge and awareness have nothing to do with anything. Therefore, the wording of Naturally Stealthy ("when you are obscured only by a creature etc., etc.") must be intended to trump the sight caveat; otherwise it is meaningless. I understand the inclination to want to keep player characters in check, and any DM is certainly within his rights to houserule this feature. But I think the spirit and letter of the rule are very clear: There is nothing to prevent a lightfoot halfling from re-hiding behind a larger creature every single round. Bear in mind, a halfling can never gain advantage with certain weapons. Is it such a terrible thing to allow him more opportunities to gain advantage with the ones he [I]can [/I]use? [/QUOTE]
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