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<blockquote data-quote="TDarien" data-source="post: 6350984"><p>Here is my issue with this interpretation. Hiding doesn't have memory. The things to required to hide are:</p><p>the creature(s) you're hiding from can't 1) see you or 2) hear you. <em>That's it.</em> If you meet those two requirements you can hide. <em>Nothing</em> in the rules says you can't hide from an enemy who knows where you are. Once you're hidden, enemies don't know *exactly* where you are, even if there's only one logical place you <em>could</em> be -- it can't be certain. If you're discovered, the situation is exactly the same. You can hide again, as long as you meet the requirements to hide. The fact that you were previously discovered is completely irrelevant.</p><p></p><p>For instance. Lets look at an invisible creature. If you are invisible, but not hidden, your position is known. But you can hide. If you're discovered, (because you attacked or somebody noticed you), <strong>are you saying an invisible creature can't hide again without moving?</strong> (even though the rules explicitly say an invisible creature my <em>always</em> attempt to hide)</p><p></p><p>Here is a great example to explain why you should be able to hide even if you're under direct observation. I duck behind a tree and hide. You know where I am, you say, "He's behind that tree! Get Him!" But when you get there, I'm nowhere to be seen! Where did I go? I teleported away while you couldn't see me! That's not something I could have done unless I was hidden from you. If I wasn't hidden, you'd know my position (even though you couldn't see me) and that I'd teleported.</p><p></p><p>As for the lightfoot halfling, the only difference is that it only needs to be concealed by a creature larger than it, not fully out of sight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TDarien, post: 6350984"] Here is my issue with this interpretation. Hiding doesn't have memory. The things to required to hide are: the creature(s) you're hiding from can't 1) see you or 2) hear you. [I]That's it.[/I] If you meet those two requirements you can hide. [I]Nothing[/I] in the rules says you can't hide from an enemy who knows where you are. Once you're hidden, enemies don't know *exactly* where you are, even if there's only one logical place you [I]could[/I] be -- it can't be certain. If you're discovered, the situation is exactly the same. You can hide again, as long as you meet the requirements to hide. The fact that you were previously discovered is completely irrelevant. For instance. Lets look at an invisible creature. If you are invisible, but not hidden, your position is known. But you can hide. If you're discovered, (because you attacked or somebody noticed you), [B]are you saying an invisible creature can't hide again without moving?[/B] (even though the rules explicitly say an invisible creature my [I]always[/I] attempt to hide) Here is a great example to explain why you should be able to hide even if you're under direct observation. I duck behind a tree and hide. You know where I am, you say, "He's behind that tree! Get Him!" But when you get there, I'm nowhere to be seen! Where did I go? I teleported away while you couldn't see me! That's not something I could have done unless I was hidden from you. If I wasn't hidden, you'd know my position (even though you couldn't see me) and that I'd teleported. As for the lightfoot halfling, the only difference is that it only needs to be concealed by a creature larger than it, not fully out of sight. [/QUOTE]
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