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<blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 6351191" data-attributes="member: 6778044">I disagree with this. The rules specifically state:You can't hide from a creature that can see you, and if you make noise (such as shouting a working or knocking over a vase) you give away your position.First, if the rules &quot;do not care one bit whether the enemy is aware of you&quot; then they wouldn't specifically mention that in the rules.If knowing your position didn't negate your ability to attempt to hide, then it wouldn't be appended with &quot;and&quot; to the same sentence that starts with &quot;You can't hide.&quot;Furthermore, the second sentence of the hiding rules state &quot;Until you are discovered or you stop hiding...&quot;.In other words, being discovered = knowing where you are = knowing your position = not hiding.That's the whole point, you aren't hidden if the opponent knows where you are. And before the discussion veers back into 'you still have advantage to attack when invisible even when they know where you are' - You have advantage when you are invisible because you are invisible, not because you are hidden.Randy</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ilbranteloth, post: 6351191, member: 6778044"] I disagree with this. The rules specifically state: [INDENT]You can't hide from a creature that can see you, and if you make noise (such as shouting a working or knocking over a vase) you give away your position.[/INDENT] First, if the rules "do not care one bit whether the enemy is aware of you" then they wouldn't specifically mention that in the rules. If knowing your position didn't negate your ability to attempt to hide, then it wouldn't be appended with "and" to the same sentence that starts with "You can't hide." Furthermore, the second sentence of the hiding rules state "Until you are discovered or you stop hiding...". In other words, being discovered = knowing where you are = knowing your position = not hiding. That's the whole point, you aren't hidden if the opponent knows where you are. And before the discussion veers back into 'you still have advantage to attack when invisible even when they know where you are' - You have advantage when you are invisible because you are invisible, not because you are hidden. Randy [/QUOTE]

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