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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TDarien" data-source="post: 6351266">The rules do not support the bolded part.But what if I'm not behind the tree to begin with?  If I move behind the tree so the enemy can't see me, can I hide behind it?  By your argument, no I can't because the enemy knows my position.  There's no difference between that scenario and what you describe.  Being previously hidden is irrelevant.  In both cases, the target knew my position before I went behind the tree.In actuality the enemy does not know your position. It may thinkit does (it even may be correct), but it has no direct evidence of your current position. It has a ton of circumstantial evidence, but that in itself is not enough to confirm your position.  It would need to discover it somehow, most likely by moving to a position where it could see you.Ah, see. Here's what I'm getting at.  Making that stealth check? That's the hide action, and that is completely separate from actually moving (which makes moving completely irrelevant to the act of hiding). Until you take the hide action, you're not concealing your movement, and the target knows you're climbing the tree.   Now that said.  If a player were abusing this, there's lots of ways to defeat it.  All the monsters have to do is move to a spot where they can actually see the spot the player was hiding in, forcing him to moveNo, you gain advantage from the target not being able to see you (page 73- Unseen Attackers and Targets).  If an invisible creature attacked you in ten consecutive rounds from the same position, it would have advantage every time.  Now, you're certainly right that if you're popping out of the same tree several turns in a row the target would expect it, and you could certainly rule that after the second or third time you don't get advantage anymore (heck, you could rule that you can't get advantage this way at all), but that would be because the act of popping out makes you visible (because the target was expecting it), and not because you can't hide in that spot.So:  Round 1: Fire from behind tree with advantage, (attacking gives away position), hide.Round 2: Fire from behind tree with advantage, (attacking gives away position, enemy realizes your not moving), hide.Round 3 and beyond: Pop up from behind tree (gives away your position--enemy was expecting you), Fire without advantage, hide.(assuming Rogue with Cunning action)I have no problem with this ruling at all and would probably do something similar.  Certainly in this situation there's no benefit to hiding, but that doesn't mean you can't.In the case of the lightfoot halfling rogue though, he can get advantage every round from hiding behind the fighter, as Naturally Stealthy allows him to hide behind a larger creature, putting him in a position where he can see the target, but the target can't see him because he's hidden.  (Granted, the target has cover from the fighter).  Now the target just has to move next to the halfling to defeat this, as he can move around the fighter without provoking and opportunity attack. The rogue now can't move to a position to hide without provoking an OA from the target, and the annoying gnat gets his just desserts <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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