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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gimul" data-source="post: 6351807" data-attributes="member: 6778088">Your logic is incomplete; as is your understanding of its implications.If A is unseen by B because of obscurement...   It is due to either a lack of awareness ( A's stealth > B's awareness); which means it is possible for B to see A, but has simply failed to do so. Or it is because the obscure was total, and B lacks the magical or supernatural means to defeat the specific type of total obscurement granted in that instance. If A is unable to see B due to total cover...  It is because the form of total cover also grants total concealment,  and B lacks the magical or supernatural means to defeat in that instance.Note, bulletproof glass provides total cover, and no concealment. One can see whats on the other side of it.Also note that unless their relative perception vs stealth rolls, type and level of vision and hide/invisibility/etc statuses are exactly the same; whether or not A can see B, and B can see A are not related (mathematically).</blockquote>