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<blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 6353602" data-attributes="member: 6778044"><p>Which is the beauty of Mike's answer. If it doesn't make sense to you, then don't do it. However, if you think that the halfling shouldn't be able to just keep hiding behind the same ally over and over, they can still attempt it, just with disadvantage.</p><p></p><p>I've noted my reasoning many times, and they make sense to me, but that doesn't mean you have to agree. </p><p></p><p>The condition to ATTEMPT to hide is that you are not seen. But the condition to successfully Hide is for your Stealth check to beat the opponent's Perception check.</p><p></p><p>But the wording in the rules (and my own 'common sense' which may admittedly be flawed) leads me to the conclusion that the specific circumstances may have an impact on that check.</p><p></p><p>The phrases "Until you are discovered" - (note it's not "until you are seen), or</p><p>"you give away your position," or</p><p>"you give away your location," are part of that equation because once any of these occur you are no longer Hidden. You may still be unseen, and hidden from view. But you are not Hidden.</p><p></p><p>In addition, the fact that the Perception check itself doesn't require you to be seen or heard, you're negating the Hide attempt by noticing little things, intuition, deduction, or some other method.</p><p></p><p>So if you aren't Hidden, do you still have advantage on your attack? If you can attack without being seen, yes. But if you have to reveal yourself (from behind your ally, a pillar, a tree, a wall, whatever), then I think, "No." Since you are no longer Hidden, your opponent knows where you are, knows where you will emerge to attack, and as soon as you do, he sees you.</p><p></p><p>I don't see it as a stretch at all if you keep hiding in the same place that your opponent would be more Perceptive. If you're playing whack-a-mole (whack-a-halfling?) and there are 6 holes, it can be kind of tough. But if there's only one hole, it's easy.</p><p></p><p>Also note that the elf and halfling abilities do not make it easier to Hide. They give them additional opportunities to Hide that other creatures don't have. Making it easier would grant them a bonus or advantage.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately I question how many times a halfling could hide behind an ally, pop out and attack with advantage and hide again. My initial thought was that they couldn't. But I like Mike's solution better - they can still attempt it, it's just harder.</p><p></p><p>Randy</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ilbranteloth, post: 6353602, member: 6778044"] Which is the beauty of Mike's answer. If it doesn't make sense to you, then don't do it. However, if you think that the halfling shouldn't be able to just keep hiding behind the same ally over and over, they can still attempt it, just with disadvantage. I've noted my reasoning many times, and they make sense to me, but that doesn't mean you have to agree. The condition to ATTEMPT to hide is that you are not seen. But the condition to successfully Hide is for your Stealth check to beat the opponent's Perception check. But the wording in the rules (and my own 'common sense' which may admittedly be flawed) leads me to the conclusion that the specific circumstances may have an impact on that check. The phrases "Until you are discovered" - (note it's not "until you are seen), or "you give away your position," or "you give away your location," are part of that equation because once any of these occur you are no longer Hidden. You may still be unseen, and hidden from view. But you are not Hidden. In addition, the fact that the Perception check itself doesn't require you to be seen or heard, you're negating the Hide attempt by noticing little things, intuition, deduction, or some other method. So if you aren't Hidden, do you still have advantage on your attack? If you can attack without being seen, yes. But if you have to reveal yourself (from behind your ally, a pillar, a tree, a wall, whatever), then I think, "No." Since you are no longer Hidden, your opponent knows where you are, knows where you will emerge to attack, and as soon as you do, he sees you. I don't see it as a stretch at all if you keep hiding in the same place that your opponent would be more Perceptive. If you're playing whack-a-mole (whack-a-halfling?) and there are 6 holes, it can be kind of tough. But if there's only one hole, it's easy. Also note that the elf and halfling abilities do not make it easier to Hide. They give them additional opportunities to Hide that other creatures don't have. Making it easier would grant them a bonus or advantage. Ultimately I question how many times a halfling could hide behind an ally, pop out and attack with advantage and hide again. My initial thought was that they couldn't. But I like Mike's solution better - they can still attempt it, it's just harder. Randy [/QUOTE]
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