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<blockquote data-quote="Scharlata" data-source="post: 1742676" data-attributes="member: 4806"><p>Hi, fellow sanctified spellcasters!</p><p></p><p>I'd like to know your opinion on a matter of a spell from the Book of Exalted Deeds, page 100, named <strong>Hammer of Righteousness</strong>.</p><p></p><p>As it happend to be, Argos the Threefold Blind, a good cleric of a good deity cast <strong>Hammer of Righteousness</strong> against an [<strong>incorporeal, evil</strong>] allip to smite it to pieces.</p><p></p><p>The descriptor of the spell [<strong>force</strong>] and the text, which states that the hammer is considered a force effect and has no miss chance when striking an incorporeal target, indicate that the spell is (very) effective against an incorporeal, evil undead.</p><p></p><p>Alas, the spell <strong>allows a Fortitude save</strong> for 1/2 damage that does not include an <strong>object</strong> to be affected. That normally means that against an undead it has utterly no effect, because undead do not have to make saving throws against an effect that allows a Fortitude save when it does not affect objects, too.</p><p></p><p>I ruled, as the DM, that the spell's <strong>intent</strong> was to include incorporeal undead, as most of the incorporeal critters are undead, neglecting the handfull of incorporeal fey from the MM 2.</p><p></p><p>Was this a righteous decision?</p><p></p><p>What about changing the Fortitude save into a Will save to avoid rewording the text? Better stick with adding the "object clause" to the Fort save?</p><p></p><p>Kind regards</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scharlata, post: 1742676, member: 4806"] Hi, fellow sanctified spellcasters! I'd like to know your opinion on a matter of a spell from the Book of Exalted Deeds, page 100, named [B]Hammer of Righteousness[/B]. As it happend to be, Argos the Threefold Blind, a good cleric of a good deity cast [B]Hammer of Righteousness[/B] against an [[B]incorporeal, evil[/B]] allip to smite it to pieces. The descriptor of the spell [[B]force[/B]] and the text, which states that the hammer is considered a force effect and has no miss chance when striking an incorporeal target, indicate that the spell is (very) effective against an incorporeal, evil undead. Alas, the spell [B]allows a Fortitude save[/B] for 1/2 damage that does not include an [B]object[/B] to be affected. That normally means that against an undead it has utterly no effect, because undead do not have to make saving throws against an effect that allows a Fortitude save when it does not affect objects, too. I ruled, as the DM, that the spell's [B]intent[/B] was to include incorporeal undead, as most of the incorporeal critters are undead, neglecting the handfull of incorporeal fey from the MM 2. Was this a righteous decision? What about changing the Fortitude save into a Will save to avoid rewording the text? Better stick with adding the "object clause" to the Fort save? Kind regards [/QUOTE]
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