the Jester
Legend
Let's say you're an elven hunter with a pack of hounds and you're coming after a pc with Handle Animal. Can the pc use her skills to call off your dogs? What should be the adjustment to the Handle Animal check DC?
Handle Someone Else's Animal?
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Terath Ninir
Yog Sothoth loves you
If you "handle" someone else's "animal", Eric's Grandma is going to slap you and give you a week's banning. 
What?
I'd say you can't do jack, 'cause that is the province of animal empathy. Animal empathy is weak enough without letting handle animal poach on its territory.
What?
I'd say you can't do jack, 'cause that is the province of animal empathy. Animal empathy is weak enough without letting handle animal poach on its territory.
shilsen
Adventurer
Cyberzombie said:If you "handle" someone else's "animal", Eric's Grandma is going to slap you and give you a week's banning.
What?
On the other hand, handling someone else's "animal" doesn't make hair grow on your palms
Looking at the Handle Animal skill as written (and not debating how it should be), I think you're wrong. Assuming the elf's dogs (in the Jester's example) have learned the Down trick, someone could use Handle Animal to make them do that. As written, that would take a full-round action and be DC 10. If they don't know the trick, then the DC jumps to 25. If the order is contravening the elf's orders, I would treat it as an opposed Handle Animal check, giving the elf a bonus due to the dogs' familiarity with it.
Terath Ninir
Yog Sothoth loves you
Hmm. *Maybe*, if the animals know the Down trick, I might allow that. Maybe. I still think it's poaching on an already unimpressive ability.
the Jester
Legend
My dilemma comes from the fact that the RAW don't specify anything about whose animals you can handle.
(Maybe in the BoEF? )
All jesting aside (ho ho), this actually came up in game a session or two ago. I've been mulling it ever since- I allowed it that time, but would like to garner opinions.
(Maybe in the BoEF?
)All jesting aside (ho ho), this actually came up in game a session or two ago. I've been mulling it ever since- I allowed it that time, but would like to garner opinions.
Terath Ninir
Yog Sothoth loves you
Well, you've got two. (Three, if you count grandma-unfriendly ones.)
Mine: no, no, no, druids and rangers are weak enough as it is!
Shilsen: sure, but crank up the DC.
Take yer pick.
Mine: no, no, no, druids and rangers are weak enough as it is!
Shilsen: sure, but crank up the DC.
Take yer pick.
Peter Gibbons
First Post
Why would it be a full-round action? It's normally a move action to handle an animal; it's only a full-round action to push it (i.e., get it to do a trick it isn't already trained to do).shilsen said:
Essentially, I agree with you. There's nothing in the rules (and no good reason I can think of) to say that you can't use Handle Animal on someone else's property. I would, however, take into consideration whether the usurper knows the correct command to issue. For example, a guard dog bought on the open market will probably be taught the "Down" trick using the Common word for "down," but a druid's wolf companion may well be trained to respond to the Druidic word for "cease."
In cases where the usurper doesn't know the right command phrase, I'd treat it as an opposed Handle Animal check, with the usurper getting a -15 on his check (to represent having to "push" the animal).
Cyberzombie said:
Oh god! Druids weak.
I almost wet myself with laughter. Oh jesus, I can hardly breathe....
On a more relevant note, I wouldnt allow it. If the animal knows the trick chances are good the other person doesnt know the Command Word. I mean, I've trained my ferrets to stand on their hind legs when I say "Woooooo!"
Who knows what crazy words people might use for "Kill"
Terath Ninir
Yog Sothoth loves you
Grogtar said:
Only because you read the silly threads in this forum where people come up with munchkin combos that, while sometimes sticking to the letter of the rules, violate not only the spirit of the rules, but also (and more importantly) totally go against the character of the druid. Paladin plus assassin would be a kick-ass combo, too, but that doesn't make it valid.
