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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5879759" data-attributes="member: 92305">I said above I would bring the cheating blatantly to the cheater's attention first, then boot 'em on a second offense.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What does that mean &quot;playing by the rules set&quot;?&nbsp; Not flubbing a die throw?&nbsp; Not playing an NPC enemy to his fullest?&nbsp; Throwing 4 baddies at the players when the &quot;ref&quot; originally decided to send in 6?&nbsp;I still call bogus on this.&nbsp; I, personally, do not flub any die rolls.&nbsp; I just don't like to do it.&nbsp; But, I will effect the game in other ways, always to craft a good, enjoyable story for everyone.&nbsp;Yeah, there's no way the GM or ref can cheat.&nbsp; It just not possible.&nbsp; &nbsp;Maybe you agree to roll in the open and not flub die rolls or modifiers.&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; But, there's so many other areas where the GM, ref, DM, whatever you want to call him, can effect the game that, if the GM wanted to play &quot;GM vs. the Players&quot;, the GM would win, every doggone time.&nbsp;Therefore, the ref cannot cheat.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, it's in every game, even one where there is a referee rather than a GM.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; The ref makes the calls on what's legal and not legal.&nbsp;Whether you acknowledge it or not, it's just plain impossible for the GM to &quot;cheat&quot; becuase of the type of job the GM does for the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5879759, member: 92305"] I said above I would bring the cheating blatantly to the cheater's attention first, then boot 'em on a second offense. What does that mean "playing by the rules set"? Not flubbing a die throw? Not playing an NPC enemy to his fullest? Throwing 4 baddies at the players when the "ref" originally decided to send in 6? I still call bogus on this. I, personally, do not flub any die rolls. I just don't like to do it. But, I will effect the game in other ways, always to craft a good, enjoyable story for everyone. Yeah, there's no way the GM or ref can cheat. It just not possible. Maybe you agree to roll in the open and not flub die rolls or modifiers. Fine. But, there's so many other areas where the GM, ref, DM, whatever you want to call him, can effect the game that, if the GM wanted to play "GM vs. the Players", the GM would win, every doggone time. Therefore, the ref cannot cheat. No, it's in every game, even one where there is a referee rather than a GM. Why? The ref makes the calls on what's legal and not legal. Whether you acknowledge it or not, it's just plain impossible for the GM to "cheat" becuase of the type of job the GM does for the game. [/QUOTE]

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