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<blockquote data-quote="jmucchiello" data-source="post: 5884463" data-attributes="member: 813">So when does it become cheating? Where's the line? The encounter was designed for 8 skeletons and the GM only puts out 6 minis/only describes there being 6 skeleton. You each seem to say that is not cheating. Do the skeletons have to be &quot;on stage&quot; for there to be cheating?So how about if he describes the encounter and says there are 8 skeletons but two of the skeletons just never attack for various contrived reasons. Is that cheating? How about this? The party is getting rocked by some unknown new monsters when the party wizard casts sleep in desperation. The GM knows they are 2HD monsters but he treats them as 1HD causing four of them to make saving throws because he didn't expect the encounter to be so brutal. If the players find out later they are normally 2HD can they say he cheated?The point is cheating is generally a break in some social norm. But not all breaks in social norms is called cheating. The GM in all my examples is pull his punches when he said he would not and thus he acted inappropriately. But he did not cheat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jmucchiello, post: 5884463, member: 813"] So when does it become cheating? Where's the line? The encounter was designed for 8 skeletons and the GM only puts out 6 minis/only describes there being 6 skeleton. You each seem to say that is not cheating. Do the skeletons have to be "on stage" for there to be cheating? So how about if he describes the encounter and says there are 8 skeletons but two of the skeletons just never attack for various contrived reasons. Is that cheating? How about this? The party is getting rocked by some unknown new monsters when the party wizard casts sleep in desperation. The GM knows they are 2HD monsters but he treats them as 1HD causing four of them to make saving throws because he didn't expect the encounter to be so brutal. If the players find out later they are normally 2HD can they say he cheated? The point is cheating is generally a break in some social norm. But not all breaks in social norms is called cheating. The GM in all my examples is pull his punches when he said he would not and thus he acted inappropriately. But he did not cheat. [/QUOTE]

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