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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 304674" data-attributes="member: 478">Yes, invisibility is perfect, which means the invisible subject cannot be seen.However, it is very possible to spot the presence of the invisible subject and even pinpoint its location, without actually seeing it.Spot check against 20 to notice something is there. Like seeing invisible footsteps or some other motion of anything being moved by the invisible subject.Listen checks as indicated in the DMG. If you have a decent Listen score, and the subject is not only trying to hide/avoid you, then it's very possible to pinpoint its location.Creative use of random stuff (like flour or water) can also be used to pinpoint an invisible subject, once aware of its presence. How this works out is very situational, of course, and can hardly be written as strict rules.Remember, that items (or whatever) the invisible subject picks up (or becomes ahold of in any other way, like water being splashed over it) do not become invisible, unless stashed away in a pocket or otherwise hidden beneath already invisible matter.A single arrow hit, for example, would allow to easily pinpoint the invisible subject, since you will see the arrow sticking from the wound floating in the air.ByeThanee</blockquote>