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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6869462" data-attributes="member: 4937">Ok, one thing I do know is that if this thread ends up being about a bunch of issues of the larger world rather than specifically about harassment in gaming, we might as well shut it down now.&nbsp; The further afield we roam, the more things we are going to find to disagree about, and the more often our different personal life experiences are going to cause us to talk past each other.&nbsp; There is no use trying to come to any agreement on all these larger issues in this forum.Let's try to get our focus back down on specific issues at the table, in a gaming store, or at a convention.One thing that has repeatedly happened in this thread is that both sides have said to the other one, in effect, &quot;You are reading into these comments things I'm not saying, or not intending to say.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; That seems to me very applicable to a gaming table.&nbsp;&nbsp; And in particular, I'd much rather hear opinions and perspectives on pregnancy, rape, sexuality, gender dynamics and so forth in the game world from people who've lived very different lives than I have, and how that can be handled or mishandled than to listen to arguments about gender politics that I could get at any political forum on the web.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6869462, member: 4937"] Ok, one thing I do know is that if this thread ends up being about a bunch of issues of the larger world rather than specifically about harassment in gaming, we might as well shut it down now. The further afield we roam, the more things we are going to find to disagree about, and the more often our different personal life experiences are going to cause us to talk past each other. There is no use trying to come to any agreement on all these larger issues in this forum. Let's try to get our focus back down on specific issues at the table, in a gaming store, or at a convention. One thing that has repeatedly happened in this thread is that both sides have said to the other one, in effect, "You are reading into these comments things I'm not saying, or not intending to say." That seems to me very applicable to a gaming table. And in particular, I'd much rather hear opinions and perspectives on pregnancy, rape, sexuality, gender dynamics and so forth in the game world from people who've lived very different lives than I have, and how that can be handled or mishandled than to listen to arguments about gender politics that I could get at any political forum on the web. [/QUOTE]

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