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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6870240" data-attributes="member: 4937">You are rather leaping to conclusions here in a desperate hope of trying to catch me in something.&nbsp; I don't assert that I've ever been mistreated by strangers, deliberately denigrated, or picked on or the like.&nbsp; The very fact that the groups were willing to welcome a stranger into their private activities and play space I would be a louse not to have some gratitude for.&nbsp; In many cases the individuals were quite kind and gracious and as welcoming as they could be under the circumstances.But I find standards of behavior, standards of content, standards of aesthetics of play, and standards of maturity just vary too widely from table to table.&nbsp; If anything, it's unfair of me to have the expectation that some other table will necessarily cater to my tastes.&nbsp; So one table might delve overtly into occult material I feel uncomfortable with.&nbsp; Another table is content with traditional &quot;beer and pretzels&quot; play, where you kick the doors down, kill the orcs, take there stuff, and never get tired of doing it over and over - while often as not joking around and using the occasion as simply focus for socializing.&nbsp; Another table might turn out to be filled with people who are painfully autistic even by my nerdy standards, so that I can't quite gel with them.&nbsp; One table might be far more comfortable with casual profanities than I am.&nbsp; Another might be entirely power-gamers that enjoy imposing their will on the game and blowing away every obstacle with ease.&nbsp; One group had a DM who thought he was great at extemporeous play... and he just wasn't.&nbsp; Another DM was so purist about metagaming, he refused to let the players see their own character sheets.&nbsp; And so on and so forth.&nbsp;&nbsp; In some cases, I don't actually have a problem with how that table chose to play, it just happened to not be my thing.Yes, but unless the table is doing something utterly morally repugnant, who is to say the problem isn't mine?&nbsp; Obviously they are enjoying themselves.It's one thing to not expect another's experiences to be good.&nbsp; It's quite another to expect some other gamer to be in fear for their own safety, or to be subject to harassment or abuse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6870240, member: 4937"] You are rather leaping to conclusions here in a desperate hope of trying to catch me in something. I don't assert that I've ever been mistreated by strangers, deliberately denigrated, or picked on or the like. The very fact that the groups were willing to welcome a stranger into their private activities and play space I would be a louse not to have some gratitude for. In many cases the individuals were quite kind and gracious and as welcoming as they could be under the circumstances. But I find standards of behavior, standards of content, standards of aesthetics of play, and standards of maturity just vary too widely from table to table. If anything, it's unfair of me to have the expectation that some other table will necessarily cater to my tastes. So one table might delve overtly into occult material I feel uncomfortable with. Another table is content with traditional "beer and pretzels" play, where you kick the doors down, kill the orcs, take there stuff, and never get tired of doing it over and over - while often as not joking around and using the occasion as simply focus for socializing. Another table might turn out to be filled with people who are painfully autistic even by my nerdy standards, so that I can't quite gel with them. One table might be far more comfortable with casual profanities than I am. Another might be entirely power-gamers that enjoy imposing their will on the game and blowing away every obstacle with ease. One group had a DM who thought he was great at extemporeous play... and he just wasn't. Another DM was so purist about metagaming, he refused to let the players see their own character sheets. And so on and so forth. In some cases, I don't actually have a problem with how that table chose to play, it just happened to not be my thing. Yes, but unless the table is doing something utterly morally repugnant, who is to say the problem isn't mine? Obviously they are enjoying themselves. It's one thing to not expect another's experiences to be good. It's quite another to expect some other gamer to be in fear for their own safety, or to be subject to harassment or abuse. [/QUOTE]

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