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<blockquote data-quote="MechaPilot" data-source="post: 6870259" data-attributes="member: 82779"><p>I don't feel that the reality of a thing is any kind of valid reason for it not being desirable to bar that thing from a game. There are a LOT of realities that games and gamers gloss over for the sake of simplicity, fun, and overall personal levels of comfort at the table:</p><p></p><p>1) Having to urinate and defecate is a reality: as a DM I don't make my PCs tell me the intricacies of how they are evacuating their waste.</p><p></p><p>2) The general inability for different species to interbreed is a reality: as a DM I have no problem allowing half-elves and half-orcs.</p><p></p><p>3) Getting a severe infection from a scratch because of a medieval understanding of hygene and medicine is a reality: as a DM I don't make my players roll for infection checks every time they get cut.</p><p></p><p>4) VD and pregnancy are realities for sexually active characters: as a DM I don't care to make or force VD checks when a PC spends some downtime at a brothel, and I don't make pregnancy an issue for sexually active female characters unless the player says she's interested in having her character become pregnant.</p><p></p><p>5) Dental problems are a reality: as a DM, I don't enforce checks for cavities, gingivitis, etc. or give the PCs bad breath if they don't tell me they somehow brush their teeth and/or gargle (with whiskey I guess. I don't really know what they'd use. I have heard that urine was actually used as a teeth whitener in ancient times. Which. Ew.).</p><p></p><p>Etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That sounds sensible to me.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know much about the different waves of feminism. I call myself, and am, an old-school feminist because I follow the original feminist ideal of all genders being equal under the law. I've heard about some extremists who call themselves feminists, and I refuse to acknowledge them. I'm not going to abandon our word to extremists who claim solidarity with us but pervert our core belief because they want special treatment or are overly sensitive to things like the leaked Joker-Harley slap picture (it's okay if the Joker slaps Harley. The Joker is not supposed to be a role model. He's a cool villain, but he is a vile character not worthy of emulating or aspiring to be).</p><p></p><p>I also applaud the sensitivity you said you would show in your example about the death of a family member.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel very certain that GM did pick up on my distress: I truly don't believe I could have hid it had I even be inclined to try, which I was not. I was white as a sheet as he described my character's clothes being cut off her, and I was literally shaking with fear (and then with rage) until I grabbed by things and fled.</p><p></p><p>As for where I found that group, through my local FLGS, which I never went back to again either. I didn't want to run into that DM or those other players there, and I didn't want to go back there in case they had shared the story with the staff (who I also didn't know personally, and who may have thought that group was entirely in the right for all I know).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you want to start a new thread, go ahead. I'll copy my relevant posts over to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I'm a woman. I've seen my share of menstrual humor from comediennes and other sources, and it's not all that offensive. The most offensive part was after the session when the player tried to get me to back him up about how he portrayed the character during her time of the month. He seemed to legitimately think a woman is a kind of monthly ticking time bomb.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't personally get that, but I also don't like when people say that to me. I am relatively well educated (ABA, ALA, BAC, all summa cum laude, and currently carrying a 3.90 in my MST program), however I am fortunate in that I have extra time to invest in studying. I live with my elderly father, we help each other out, and one of the benefits of that is that I only have to work part time to support myself while attending school. With no children, and no romantic life in sight, I can devote extra time to study to get the high marks that I've earned. I'm positive there are several people at school who have commented about my being smart, or even a genius in a few cases, who could do just as well if they had the time that I have to devote to studying.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have to say that I would have walked out on that scene. I don't get at all what they would have found funny about that. Of course, I also don't get the appeal that NC erotica has for some folks either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no problems with continuing to discuss all these things with you. I think it might be better to address one individual concern or concept at a time when possible (because even as I type this I know this post is going to be HUGE on the screen), but I think the discussion itself has value in at lest educating people as to differences in perspectives (if nothing else).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MechaPilot, post: 6870259, member: 82779"] I don't feel that the reality of a thing is any kind of valid reason for it not being desirable to bar that thing from a game. There are a LOT of realities that games and gamers gloss over for the sake of simplicity, fun, and overall personal levels of comfort at the table: 1) Having to urinate and defecate is a reality: as a DM I don't make my PCs tell me the intricacies of how they are evacuating their waste. 2) The general inability for different species to interbreed is a reality: as a DM I have no problem allowing half-elves and half-orcs. 3) Getting a severe infection from a scratch because of a medieval understanding of hygene and medicine is a reality: as a DM I don't make my players roll for infection checks every time they get cut. 4) VD and pregnancy are realities for sexually active characters: as a DM I don't care to make or force VD checks when a PC spends some downtime at a brothel, and I don't make pregnancy an issue for sexually active female characters unless the player says she's interested in having her character become pregnant. 5) Dental problems are a reality: as a DM, I don't enforce checks for cavities, gingivitis, etc. or give the PCs bad breath if they don't tell me they somehow brush their teeth and/or gargle (with whiskey I guess. I don't really know what they'd use. I have heard that urine was actually used as a teeth whitener in ancient times. Which. Ew.). Etc. That sounds sensible to me. I don't know much about the different waves of feminism. I call myself, and am, an old-school feminist because I follow the original feminist ideal of all genders being equal under the law. I've heard about some extremists who call themselves feminists, and I refuse to acknowledge them. I'm not going to abandon our word to extremists who claim solidarity with us but pervert our core belief because they want special treatment or are overly sensitive to things like the leaked Joker-Harley slap picture (it's okay if the Joker slaps Harley. The Joker is not supposed to be a role model. He's a cool villain, but he is a vile character not worthy of emulating or aspiring to be). I also applaud the sensitivity you said you would show in your example about the death of a family member. I feel very certain that GM did pick up on my distress: I truly don't believe I could have hid it had I even be inclined to try, which I was not. I was white as a sheet as he described my character's clothes being cut off her, and I was literally shaking with fear (and then with rage) until I grabbed by things and fled. As for where I found that group, through my local FLGS, which I never went back to again either. I didn't want to run into that DM or those other players there, and I didn't want to go back there in case they had shared the story with the staff (who I also didn't know personally, and who may have thought that group was entirely in the right for all I know). If you want to start a new thread, go ahead. I'll copy my relevant posts over to it. Well, I'm a woman. I've seen my share of menstrual humor from comediennes and other sources, and it's not all that offensive. The most offensive part was after the session when the player tried to get me to back him up about how he portrayed the character during her time of the month. He seemed to legitimately think a woman is a kind of monthly ticking time bomb. I don't personally get that, but I also don't like when people say that to me. I am relatively well educated (ABA, ALA, BAC, all summa cum laude, and currently carrying a 3.90 in my MST program), however I am fortunate in that I have extra time to invest in studying. I live with my elderly father, we help each other out, and one of the benefits of that is that I only have to work part time to support myself while attending school. With no children, and no romantic life in sight, I can devote extra time to study to get the high marks that I've earned. I'm positive there are several people at school who have commented about my being smart, or even a genius in a few cases, who could do just as well if they had the time that I have to devote to studying. I have to say that I would have walked out on that scene. I don't get at all what they would have found funny about that. Of course, I also don't get the appeal that NC erotica has for some folks either. I have no problems with continuing to discuss all these things with you. I think it might be better to address one individual concern or concept at a time when possible (because even as I type this I know this post is going to be HUGE on the screen), but I think the discussion itself has value in at lest educating people as to differences in perspectives (if nothing else). [/QUOTE]
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