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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6870973" data-attributes="member: 22779">ROTFLMAO.&nbsp; If you honestly think that 5e is simpler than AD&amp;D... well, I'm pretty much flabbergasted.&nbsp; Yeah, good luck with that one.&nbsp; Never minding games like 4e or 3e.&nbsp; it's called Mathfinder for a reason.------On the whole &quot;sexism in the game has no objective problem&quot; thing.That's, quite frankly, ballocks.&nbsp; For one, sexism in gaming, even fairly low level stuff like chain mail bikinis, actively drives women away from the game.&nbsp; That, right there, means that there are less people available to play D&amp;D, and limits the size of the hobby.&nbsp; So, right off the bat, you have objective consequences to &quot;in game&quot; sexism.&nbsp; Good grief, it took Vampire and LARPing to bring any significant numbers of women into the hobby.&nbsp; It sure as hell wasn't D&amp;D.&nbsp; So, the idea that &quot;Well, it's just all fantasy, so, it doesn't matter&quot; is ridiculous.&nbsp; It all matters.&nbsp; It's all connected.&nbsp; When every major NPC is a white dude, every depiction of women show them being victims held in the hand of an over sexualised red efreet, then, yuppers, you better believe it's an uphill battle to expand the player base.&nbsp; When women are treated like faltering gazelles in front of lions every time they walk into a LGS (I refuse to add the F here, because it certainly ain't friendly) then of course it's limiting the player base.&nbsp; And when complaints by women in the game are marginalised by white dudes claiming that it's just &quot;boys will be boys&quot; or &quot;citation please&quot;, it certainly isn't helping one iota.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6870973, member: 22779"] ROTFLMAO. If you honestly think that 5e is [i]simpler[/i] than AD&D... well, I'm pretty much flabbergasted. Yeah, good luck with that one. Never minding games like 4e or 3e. it's called Mathfinder for a reason. ------ On the whole "sexism in the game has no objective problem" thing. That's, quite frankly, ballocks. For one, sexism in gaming, even fairly low level stuff like chain mail bikinis, actively drives women away from the game. That, right there, means that there are less people available to play D&D, and limits the size of the hobby. So, right off the bat, you have objective consequences to "in game" sexism. Good grief, it took Vampire and LARPing to bring any significant numbers of women into the hobby. It sure as hell wasn't D&D. So, the idea that "Well, it's just all fantasy, so, it doesn't matter" is ridiculous. It all matters. It's all connected. When every major NPC is a white dude, every depiction of women show them being victims held in the hand of an over sexualised red efreet, then, yuppers, you better believe it's an uphill battle to expand the player base. When women are treated like faltering gazelles in front of lions every time they walk into a LGS (I refuse to add the F here, because it certainly ain't friendly) then of course it's limiting the player base. And when complaints by women in the game are marginalised by white dudes claiming that it's just "boys will be boys" or "citation please", it certainly isn't helping one iota. [/QUOTE]

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