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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sunshadow21" data-source="post: 6875501" data-attributes="member: 6667193">That's not fine with me. Most of the people I find most irritating when this topic comes up are those that are screaming that loudest about what others should be doing in the name of "inclusiveness" while completely ignoring the fact that they are in fact being just as non-inclusive as those they are attacking by not being willing to even tolerate the presence of the opposing viewpoint. The original article that sparked all of this is a prime example of that to me; I get that there are problems in our hobby that need be fixed, but I have a hard time believing that anyone who coins the term "white male terrorism " is genuinely serious about starting anything close to a meaningful dialogue in hopes of eventually reaching a solution acceptable to everyone. The whole tone of that article is very much "burn the infidels" and a rallying cry for the army of would be social justice warriors (and yes, I use that term deliberately to fully mean everything that tends to get attached to it, because that very much seems to be the target audience for that article) to gather together and force everyone to accept the author's solutions without question or hesitation. People in this thread have talked about presentation, and that word matters a great deal in regards to this thread and that article. I have no problem acknowledging that more can be done and that more conversation can be had, but articles like that are the last thing this conversation needs. It simply adds more negativity and hostility to a conversation that is already extremely negative and hostile while driving away all the people in the middle that are simply tired of the idiot extremists on both sides. The related article on Enworld itself did a far better job of highlighting the problem while leaving room for actual constructive discussion, and that does seem to have occurred to at least some degree, but for me at least, the vast majority of the constructive conversation has been heavily drowned out. I haven't been able to read more than half a dozen posts at a time simply because too many people are either trying to bludgeon their opponents out of the thread and/or simply aren't listening and are talking right past each other. In the end, I am left agreeing that more conversation needs to be had, but if this is the best conversation that we can muster, the people who are tired of the topic and see no point in discussing it further may well have a legitimate point. There's only so much ranting and raving I can listen to before it all becomes background noise.</blockquote>

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