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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6875722" data-attributes="member: 22779">We were talking about games that contain offensive content were we not?&nbsp; A couple of pin-up art images probably isn't going to cause any sort of ripples.&nbsp; A &quot;sword and sorcery&quot; game, that contains all the elements of early sword and sorcery goes quite a bit beyond that.&nbsp; If we're doing a &quot;true to Howard&quot; style S&amp;S game, it's going to be bigoted and misogynistic.Now, as you say, vote with your wallet and don't buy.&nbsp; Fair enough.&nbsp; OTOH, it shouldn't be a problem for a reviewer to say, &quot;Hey, this game is offensive as all get out.&quot; without receiving numerous death and rape threats.&nbsp; It should never be a problem to call out material as offensive.&nbsp; We should never have to fear for our safety just because we call something out as offensive.Now, I totally agree that if a group of adults wanted to use, say, D&amp;D, for a Howardian game (or Lovecraft for that matter, or pretty much any Fantasy genre author from before about 1960) as a base, in the privacy of their own home, then no problems.&nbsp; What you or I do in a private space is no one's business.&nbsp; OTOH, if you want to run that game in a public space, such as a convention or an FLGS, then I think it's perfectly acceptable for you (and I mean you in the generic sense here, not you personally) are going to be subject to some serious criticism.&nbsp; I wouldn't particularly appreciate my twelve year old daughter walking past your table and having to hear that, never mind actually making the mistake of sitting at that table and being subjected to that.So, no, it's not the same as just choosing to play a &quot;wild west&quot; game or a &quot;science fiction&quot; game.&nbsp; Context matters.&nbsp; Where you are playing, and who you are playing with matters a great deal.&nbsp; That's kinda the whole point about these harassment threads.&nbsp; People, quite likely without any malice, putting material into public without any consideration for the feelings of other people.I mean, sure, if you're playing &quot;Confederate Soldier the Gathering&quot;, then ok, yup, there's going to be slavery in that game.&nbsp; But, perhaps playing that game in a public space is not the best idea.&nbsp; At least not without making it absolutely clear what's going on.&nbsp; And, if your game of &quot;Confederate Soldier the Gathering&quot; isn't being played ironically, but, rather, the slave owners are the heroes of the story, then it's completely fair to expect that reviews of that game are going to be less than favorable.&nbsp; At no point should there be threats of violence being made.&nbsp; Ever.&nbsp; Against anyone.And that's the bottom line.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6875722, member: 22779"] We were talking about games that contain offensive content were we not? A couple of pin-up art images probably isn't going to cause any sort of ripples. A "sword and sorcery" game, that contains all the elements of early sword and sorcery goes quite a bit beyond that. If we're doing a "true to Howard" style S&S game, it's going to be bigoted and misogynistic. Now, as you say, vote with your wallet and don't buy. Fair enough. OTOH, it shouldn't be a problem for a reviewer to say, "Hey, this game is offensive as all get out." without receiving numerous death and rape threats. It should never be a problem to call out material as offensive. We should never have to fear for our safety just because we call something out as offensive. Now, I totally agree that if a group of adults wanted to use, say, D&D, for a Howardian game (or Lovecraft for that matter, or pretty much any Fantasy genre author from before about 1960) as a base, in the privacy of their own home, then no problems. What you or I do in a private space is no one's business. OTOH, if you want to run that game in a public space, such as a convention or an FLGS, then I think it's perfectly acceptable for you (and I mean you in the generic sense here, not you personally) are going to be subject to some serious criticism. I wouldn't particularly appreciate my twelve year old daughter walking past your table and having to hear that, never mind actually making the mistake of sitting at that table and being subjected to that. So, no, it's not the same as just choosing to play a "wild west" game or a "science fiction" game. Context matters. Where you are playing, and who you are playing with matters a great deal. That's kinda the whole point about these harassment threads. People, quite likely without any malice, putting material into public without any consideration for the feelings of other people. I mean, sure, if you're playing "Confederate Soldier the Gathering", then ok, yup, there's going to be slavery in that game. But, perhaps playing that game in a public space is not the best idea. At least not without making it absolutely clear what's going on. And, if your game of "Confederate Soldier the Gathering" isn't being played ironically, but, rather, the slave owners are the heroes of the story, then it's completely fair to expect that reviews of that game are going to be less than favorable. At no point should there be threats of violence being made. Ever. Against anyone. And that's the bottom line. [/QUOTE]

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