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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy E Grenemyer" data-source="post: 6876868" data-attributes="member: 12388"><p>Let me see if I have this right:</p><p></p><p>If a story of women scheming against men can be found via a Google search, then it's true because you believe it's true.</p><p></p><p>If a woman relates stories of harassment of herself or other women, which can also be found on a Google search, then we had better be careful not to "drop everything and simply believe anything that we're told."</p><p></p><p>That's an interesting double standard. </p><p></p><p>I think people would be more likely to consider your arguments on their merits if you afforded the same respect and legitimacy to women and the problems they are raising through blog posts and similar online (and doing so, unlike you, by using their real names and not hiding behind a screen name/alias) that you seem to expect from the rest of us each time you relate an anecdotal counterexample that requires people to go see for themselves.</p><p></p><p>I wasn't using "endemic" as a noun. I was using it as an adjective.</p><p></p><p>Maybe you're confusing it with a word like "pandemic."</p><p></p><p>As to your question: there's no good reason to believe that all women who relate instances of harassment, or otherwise being made to feel uncomfortable and powerless, are lying, much less that they are somehow conspiring in secret, just as there is not good reason to assume male gamers are lying when they say, "Oh, I enjoyed the Con," or "Dude, my DM in the last game was an ass. Skip that guy if you see him."</p><p></p><p>"But we must have objective proof!" you say (and keep saying, in various ways, in this thread and the last one), or "But here's an example where women were in the wrong!" you say (again, in various ways, in this thread and the last one).</p><p></p><p>I just have to ask: are you suggesting, Taneras, that as a rule women are not to be trusted? </p><p></p><p>Do you know what a hidden claim is?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeremy E Grenemyer, post: 6876868, member: 12388"] Let me see if I have this right: If a story of women scheming against men can be found via a Google search, then it's true because you believe it's true. If a woman relates stories of harassment of herself or other women, which can also be found on a Google search, then we had better be careful not to "drop everything and simply believe anything that we're told." That's an interesting double standard. I think people would be more likely to consider your arguments on their merits if you afforded the same respect and legitimacy to women and the problems they are raising through blog posts and similar online (and doing so, unlike you, by using their real names and not hiding behind a screen name/alias) that you seem to expect from the rest of us each time you relate an anecdotal counterexample that requires people to go see for themselves. I wasn't using "endemic" as a noun. I was using it as an adjective. Maybe you're confusing it with a word like "pandemic." As to your question: there's no good reason to believe that all women who relate instances of harassment, or otherwise being made to feel uncomfortable and powerless, are lying, much less that they are somehow conspiring in secret, just as there is not good reason to assume male gamers are lying when they say, "Oh, I enjoyed the Con," or "Dude, my DM in the last game was an ass. Skip that guy if you see him." "But we must have objective proof!" you say (and keep saying, in various ways, in this thread and the last one), or "But here's an example where women were in the wrong!" you say (again, in various ways, in this thread and the last one). I just have to ask: are you suggesting, Taneras, that as a rule women are not to be trusted? Do you know what a hidden claim is? [/QUOTE]
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