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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Taneras" data-source="post: 6877426" data-attributes="member: 6842952">I'm speaking about people, both men and women.  I never said that it was solely the victims responsibility to bring forth evidence.  The staff could see if there are any witnesses, check camera footage (if its at a store/event with a camera), perhaps see if there are any other complaints about that specific person from others.  There's a whole lot of area between "I totally believe you" and "I'm positive you're lying".Moreover I want to stress what started this particular discussion - Hussar's claim that we need to instantly believe the person claiming they've been harassed or was offended and not ask any questions.Just so we're clear, you snipped 2 sentences out of 6 or 7 sentences which coincidentally were very important to the distinctions I was making.  I wasn't typing a novel, that response was 5 lines in total.I'm fairly sure that the aforementioned rape/sexual assault case against the Canadian musician was the only specific example I've brought up and I've made it clear that the majority of the harassment is coming from men.  Maybe there was a second that I can't recall, but that hardly constitutes "continually".  You're using strong language to try and fan the flames.  The harassment problem is endemic to the table top community, I'm continually bringing up instances of women doing bad things, etc.I agree.  I've hardly touched on the aspect of women doing the harassing because the majority comes from men, and I've stated that repeatedly in the previous thread.  Where did you get the idea that I was trying to over inflate the women harassers to posit an extreme overlap?This line of reasoning seems dishonest, as I've made it crystal clear that what I'm advocating would apply both to men and women and here you are, with bolding text no less, painting my statements as if they're only applying to women.  You've also switched up the argument here, we were talking about whether to believe the victim solely on their own word, now you've moved it to "swift action".  I've said that I wasn't against separating the people involved, that's swift action.  I'm perfectly ok with the staff being skeptical but still looking into the matter by questioning potential witnesses, looking at film, or keeping track of who's complaining against who and looking for patterns, that's swift action.Please try and accurately represent what I'm saying.I understand the apprehensiveness to bring up something that's been settled, so perhaps you can point me to the discussion where this "harassment is endemic to the table top community" was established so I can look at both sides of the argument and decide for myself?And I do agree that harassment is a problem, one instance is one too many and constitutes a problem.  I agree that a sizeable portion of it is directed at women, and I agree that the majority of the harassers are male.  I'm only questioning the "endemic" comment.  Just like the 1:5 rape statistics on college campuses actually being 1:52, perhaps this problem is also being over exaggerated.*Sexual harassment*.  If the tabletop community is the same as the gaming community or the internet as a whole, males receive more harassment overall than females.  Females have higher complaints of stalking and sexual harassment, but overall males report higher harassment when looking at all types of harassment.Moreover, while his example did specify women nothing else in his post did.  His remedy to "Leave nothing up to the interpretation of the person making the complaint." was because "people" (not just women) would abuse it.  Notice he specified "person" that was making the complaint, and not "woman".  After the example he mentioned "people" 4 times and didn't mention gender a single time.  I won't speak for him, but nothing he said necessitates that he was saying what you're suggesting he said.  Perhaps that's how he feels, but you can't pull that from what he's said so far.No, your strong language and mischaracterization is.  The harassment of women is endemic to the tabletop community, people who caution the idea that we should instantly, and unquestioningly, believe all harassment claims are actually people who just want to diminish the voices of women, posters are "continually" bringing up supposed harassment enacted by women to water down the issue, etc.</blockquote>

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