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<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 6878240" data-attributes="member: 13107">I'm sorry that that comes across.&nbsp; ENWorld, for one, has a strong anti-harassment policy which I applaud.&nbsp; And there are lots of folks around with strong anti-harassment and anti-discrimination views.To speak from my own perspective, I don't have a particular disagreement with the theme of the initial linked article.&nbsp; But, the article has strong faults, to which one can validly respond:* The mixing of clearly illegal behavior (being slipped a roofie and being raped) with simple harassment (the comment about the aboriginal woman).&nbsp; These two examples are in very difference spaces.&nbsp; I have to counteract this association, and must remark on it if I am to have an open conversation regarding the article.&nbsp; This mixing that is done by the article is a big problem in that it can cause the emotional reaction to the greater problem (rape) to be put in place for lesser (racist comments).*) I have a problem with the &quot;deal with this now, and on my terms&quot; sense which I strongly got from the article.&nbsp; The thing is, I've read about violence against women and have had an active view towards working against it for most of my life (nearly 40 years out of 50 now), as I first begin reading about the subject when I was a tweener.&nbsp; Information about violence against woman is readily available, and lots of folks who have an eye to such matters will be versed in it.*) What I did find to be a valid take-away was the question of to what extent violence against woman, and generally sexual or sexist harassment is a problem in gaming communities, either in that the community had a greater than problem than is prevalent in society as a whole, or has a problem of a lack of awareness of the problem, or has a problem of taking too few steps to actively correct the problem.&nbsp; The article presents as conclusions that all of these problems are present. But, I think the community is correct to take a look a step back and work to an answer itself.Thx!TomB</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 6878240, member: 13107"] I'm sorry that that comes across. ENWorld, for one, has a strong anti-harassment policy which I applaud. And there are lots of folks around with strong anti-harassment and anti-discrimination views. To speak from my own perspective, I don't have a particular disagreement with the [i]theme[/i] of the initial linked article. But, the article has strong faults, to which one can validly respond: * The mixing of clearly illegal behavior (being slipped a roofie and being raped) with simple harassment (the comment about the aboriginal woman). These two examples are in very difference spaces. I have to counteract this association, and must remark on it if I am to have an open conversation regarding the article. This mixing that is done by the article is a big problem in that it can cause the emotional reaction to the greater problem (rape) to be put in place for lesser (racist comments). *) I have a problem with the "deal with this now, and on my terms" sense which I strongly got from the article. The thing is, I've read about violence against women and have had an active view towards working against it for most of my life (nearly 40 years out of 50 now), as I first begin reading about the subject when I was a tweener. Information about violence against woman is readily available, and lots of folks who have an eye to such matters will be versed in it. *) What I did find to be a valid take-away was the question of to what extent violence against woman, and generally sexual or sexist harassment is a problem in gaming communities, either in that the community had a greater than problem than is prevalent in society as a whole, or has a problem of a lack of awareness of the problem, or has a problem of taking too few steps to actively correct the problem. The article presents as conclusions that all of these problems are present. But, I think the community is correct to take a look a step back and work to an answer itself. Thx! TomB [/QUOTE]

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