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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy E Grenemyer" data-source="post: 6878318" data-attributes="member: 12388"><p>It's safe to say that the sort of hyper-liberalism run amok that is making strange places of American and British universities is not at the core of the drive to bring awareness to the issue of harassment and abuse of women (and others)<strong> in gaming</strong>. </p><p></p><p>Such abuse is part of a much larger problem. One that predates the trends you are observing by a couple thousand years, at least. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Be careful here. And please try very, <em>very</em> hard to be honest about what trends you're seeing, because the women who are speaking out about their experiences of harassment at Cons and game stores are absolutely not being "over the top."</p><p></p><p>Women are bringing the issue up. Women are experiencing the problem. These are trends. </p><p></p><p>But these are not the same trends you are concerned about. You're talking about a problem you have with behavior that is taking place largely outside of gaming. </p><p></p><p>By repeatedly talking about what is happening outside of gaming, you're shifting the focus away from the trends everyone else is trying to talk about and raise awareness of. </p><p></p><p>For a person to recognize there is a problem in gaming that is largely being perpetrated by white males does not mean a person ascribes to a hyper-liberal ideology, or that the person buys into the idea behind safe spaces and rigger warnings. </p><p></p><p>Look, when people call for white male gamers to listen to what women are saying, to understand them and to work to fix the problems they are experiencing, it's not pushing an ideology.</p><p></p><p>Such calls are being made because women in gaming are not always being treated with the basic minimum level of respect that is otherwise afforded to people in public. </p><p></p><p>It's about human decency. Not about ideology.</p><p></p><p>Given that you just joined this month, I'm going to assume you're relying on people's good intentions, and their understanding of how to behave in general, as opposed to actual knowledge of what EN World users are like based on repeated, regular interactions with them over time.</p><p></p><p>Which begs the question why you seem to have a problem with the idea that, in general, most people know how to figure out what is and is not appropriate. </p><p></p><p>"Don't let the crazy liberals ruin gaming for everyone!" is a separate discussion from the topic of this thread. </p><p></p><p>That's pretty much what people are asking for. More mindfulness, more respectfulness, and (therefore) more awareness of others. </p><p></p><p>Describing it as anything more than that is to mischaracterize what's being discussed here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeremy E Grenemyer, post: 6878318, member: 12388"] It's safe to say that the sort of hyper-liberalism run amok that is making strange places of American and British universities is not at the core of the drive to bring awareness to the issue of harassment and abuse of women (and others)[B] in gaming[/B]. Such abuse is part of a much larger problem. One that predates the trends you are observing by a couple thousand years, at least. Be careful here. And please try very, [i]very[/i] hard to be honest about what trends you're seeing, because the women who are speaking out about their experiences of harassment at Cons and game stores are absolutely not being "over the top." Women are bringing the issue up. Women are experiencing the problem. These are trends. But these are not the same trends you are concerned about. You're talking about a problem you have with behavior that is taking place largely outside of gaming. By repeatedly talking about what is happening outside of gaming, you're shifting the focus away from the trends everyone else is trying to talk about and raise awareness of. For a person to recognize there is a problem in gaming that is largely being perpetrated by white males does not mean a person ascribes to a hyper-liberal ideology, or that the person buys into the idea behind safe spaces and rigger warnings. Look, when people call for white male gamers to listen to what women are saying, to understand them and to work to fix the problems they are experiencing, it's not pushing an ideology. Such calls are being made because women in gaming are not always being treated with the basic minimum level of respect that is otherwise afforded to people in public. It's about human decency. Not about ideology. Given that you just joined this month, I'm going to assume you're relying on people's good intentions, and their understanding of how to behave in general, as opposed to actual knowledge of what EN World users are like based on repeated, regular interactions with them over time. Which begs the question why you seem to have a problem with the idea that, in general, most people know how to figure out what is and is not appropriate. "Don't let the crazy liberals ruin gaming for everyone!" is a separate discussion from the topic of this thread. That's pretty much what people are asking for. More mindfulness, more respectfulness, and (therefore) more awareness of others. Describing it as anything more than that is to mischaracterize what's being discussed here. [/QUOTE]
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