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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6879665" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>Maybe they are. Or maybe they are just *noticing* more, or just *speaking* on their offense more - which are different. But, either way, the phrasing was not "more" sensitive, but *overly* sensitive - implying that was something wrong with the level of sensitivity that they were showing. </p><p></p><p>And so again, I ask - why phrase it that way? Why not instead note that the guys are jerks and thick as bricks to the amount of habitual sexism in their words? Why are the women *wrong* or somehow excessive to be as sensitive as they are? Answer that, please.</p><p></p><p>For extra bonus points, answer it in a way that doesn't look like a rationalization to cover that men just don't want to have to care.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>It being your observation doesn't make it not a slight. If you set up a spring-loaded toy to go off when your co-worker opens a desk drawer, and when it goes off it pokes out their eye, the fact that you only meant it as a joke doesn't change the fact that they are out an eye. Your intent doesn't really change the impact. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Men are in a relative position of power. They have greater social status and security, and so can afford slights more.</p><p></p><p>Except when they can't. I make a comment about how maybe men are insensitive, thick-headed boors, and... well, that doesn't go over well, does it? That's not brushed off - instead there's defense against it. Interesting...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was hoping you'd ask that. I'll ask another question in response: What's the average among white men and <em>the rest of the population of the US</em>? Hint: White men make up about 30% of the population of the US. </p><p></p><p>I mentioned both average and correctness because we have choices to make. We have to choose at various times what matters more - conforming to an average, or holding to some form of moral/ethical correctness whatever the average says. After my noting that they are *not* the majority of the population, the white men reading this may be thinking that the average may not be as great a choice as it may have seemed a few moments before. The average supports them only in local groups, not in the grand scheme of things.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6879665, member: 177"] Maybe they are. Or maybe they are just *noticing* more, or just *speaking* on their offense more - which are different. But, either way, the phrasing was not "more" sensitive, but *overly* sensitive - implying that was something wrong with the level of sensitivity that they were showing. And so again, I ask - why phrase it that way? Why not instead note that the guys are jerks and thick as bricks to the amount of habitual sexism in their words? Why are the women *wrong* or somehow excessive to be as sensitive as they are? Answer that, please. For extra bonus points, answer it in a way that doesn't look like a rationalization to cover that men just don't want to have to care. It being your observation doesn't make it not a slight. If you set up a spring-loaded toy to go off when your co-worker opens a desk drawer, and when it goes off it pokes out their eye, the fact that you only meant it as a joke doesn't change the fact that they are out an eye. Your intent doesn't really change the impact. Men are in a relative position of power. They have greater social status and security, and so can afford slights more. Except when they can't. I make a comment about how maybe men are insensitive, thick-headed boors, and... well, that doesn't go over well, does it? That's not brushed off - instead there's defense against it. Interesting... I was hoping you'd ask that. I'll ask another question in response: What's the average among white men and [i]the rest of the population of the US[/i]? Hint: White men make up about 30% of the population of the US. I mentioned both average and correctness because we have choices to make. We have to choose at various times what matters more - conforming to an average, or holding to some form of moral/ethical correctness whatever the average says. After my noting that they are *not* the majority of the population, the white men reading this may be thinking that the average may not be as great a choice as it may have seemed a few moments before. The average supports them only in local groups, not in the grand scheme of things. [/QUOTE]
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