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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Twig" data-source="post: 6881390" data-attributes="member: 31754">I think the "pseudo" part has made this a lot better today than in the past. All of the current settings I'm aware of have gender equality in their societies. The only exception being the Drow, which is a matriarchy.I think the chain mail bikini isn't as overused as many people think. It's just the worst (best? You know what i mean. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) example of the "scanty armor" problem. It's probably about as common as the armored loin cloth the men are portrayed as wearing. That said female armor in general has a problem with showing off skin at the expense of protection. Far more so than armor for men. So it is a problem.But should the chain mail bikini/loincloth and the like be removed from games entirely? Sure there should be competent, sensibly armored female characters portrayed just like male characters. And we are getting more of that now. But there is still a market for attractive characters (of both sexes) that are showing some skin.Honestly of all the disappointing art in D&D 5e, the one that bugs me the second most (after Halflings) is the barbarian. It's just some guy in plain pants and a shirt with an axe! What the heck? Where are the rippling muscles and rage? It looks like his is just taking a Sunday stroll through the park.I will admit that we need more sensibly dressed female wizards/sorcerers. They are out there, but there needs to be more. I will also say that I would like to see more young, attractive male wizards showing off their physique. I need more images for my characters. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />In the ShadowRun games I played an equal weight was given to style as well as function, and I don't think it is that different in fantasy games. Many people like to have their characters look good. And yes, they even want them to be sexy. People are sexual creatures. That doesn't automatically make them sexual objects.I agree with this 100%. I think the current game industry has made great strides in this area though. In some cases they have gone so far that it would seem that seductresses don't even exist. But that's okay. A break from the trope is probably needed right now.Of course despite what the game companies do they can't control what the players do. And players will make characters of all sorts. Some of which should probably not have been made. And, to bring this all the way back to the original topic, most of those players will be white males. (Full disclosure, I'm a white hetero male.)Agreed, and more should be done to stop it. Probably the fist step would be better training for those responsible for running the conventions and for those providing security.</blockquote>

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