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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 6881555" data-attributes="member: 57112"><p>I guess I'll take the unpopular position of the defending the original article in its entirety. There's been a lot of tone-policing and double-guessing the intentions of the author, even when they agree with her main theses, that I find to be pretty condescending.</p><p></p><p>I, personally, found absolutely nothing objectionable about this article. I agree with every word in it. I recognize that I am in the minority about that on this thread, in this community, in this hobby. I'll even go so far as to say that because of these things, some of the language and tone used in this article probably prevents it from being as effective or impactful as it otherwise could have.</p><p></p><p>And while I can only, as the rest you, speculate as to the author's intention, I submit the suggestion that that wasn't the point.</p><p></p><p>Tone-policing is a tricky, and many times infuriating, thing to do. I suspect most activists (certainly most activists I've worked with) know that your tone and how you craft your message has an impact on how <em>persuasive</em> that message is. But sometimes the tone is part of the point. Sometimes, the tone has to communicate "this is how upset and pissed off all of this makes me". And if that happens to make other people more defensive than they otherwise would be, that's honestly their problem, not the author's. Because it would take a lot of gall to tell the author they should be less upset or pissed about this, no matter how much more "persuasive" a calmer exploration of the subject should be. We should all be as upset and pissed off as the author here is about harassment and violence and yes, terrorism (the purest definition of which is "causing terror" which is exactly what is happening; bombings and beheadings are tools of a certain kind of terrorist; not the definition of it), in our community. That more of us aren't is kind of the problem.</p><p></p><p>What's most condescending is the rush to declare her use of the term "terrorism" as a hyperbolic way to get her article noticed, which is frankly playing exactly into the "she's making it up for attention" narrative that makes it so easy for misogynists (or even non-misogynists who would otherwise be sympathetic) to so quickly and easily dismiss women who actually do report harassment and violence. To continue to regularly assert that that was her intention is actively harmful to any attempt at meaningful progress on this issue.</p><p></p><p>I, for one, have no reason to doubt her earnestness in the least bit, because I happen to agree with her 100%. I find no part of it hyperbolic or overblown, and most of my real-life gamer friends feel exactly the same way. It's totally okay to disagree with her analysis. I would argue it's not okay to question her sincerity because of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 6881555, member: 57112"] I guess I'll take the unpopular position of the defending the original article in its entirety. There's been a lot of tone-policing and double-guessing the intentions of the author, even when they agree with her main theses, that I find to be pretty condescending. I, personally, found absolutely nothing objectionable about this article. I agree with every word in it. I recognize that I am in the minority about that on this thread, in this community, in this hobby. I'll even go so far as to say that because of these things, some of the language and tone used in this article probably prevents it from being as effective or impactful as it otherwise could have. And while I can only, as the rest you, speculate as to the author's intention, I submit the suggestion that that wasn't the point. Tone-policing is a tricky, and many times infuriating, thing to do. I suspect most activists (certainly most activists I've worked with) know that your tone and how you craft your message has an impact on how [i]persuasive[/i] that message is. But sometimes the tone is part of the point. Sometimes, the tone has to communicate "this is how upset and pissed off all of this makes me". And if that happens to make other people more defensive than they otherwise would be, that's honestly their problem, not the author's. Because it would take a lot of gall to tell the author they should be less upset or pissed about this, no matter how much more "persuasive" a calmer exploration of the subject should be. We should all be as upset and pissed off as the author here is about harassment and violence and yes, terrorism (the purest definition of which is "causing terror" which is exactly what is happening; bombings and beheadings are tools of a certain kind of terrorist; not the definition of it), in our community. That more of us aren't is kind of the problem. What's most condescending is the rush to declare her use of the term "terrorism" as a hyperbolic way to get her article noticed, which is frankly playing exactly into the "she's making it up for attention" narrative that makes it so easy for misogynists (or even non-misogynists who would otherwise be sympathetic) to so quickly and easily dismiss women who actually do report harassment and violence. To continue to regularly assert that that was her intention is actively harmful to any attempt at meaningful progress on this issue. I, for one, have no reason to doubt her earnestness in the least bit, because I happen to agree with her 100%. I find no part of it hyperbolic or overblown, and most of my real-life gamer friends feel exactly the same way. It's totally okay to disagree with her analysis. I would argue it's not okay to question her sincerity because of it. [/QUOTE]
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