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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 6885360" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>No. Absolutely not. Doxxing is releasing that information to the public, not to the authorities. If you're talking about calling the police and giving information you have, that's one thing, but it's not doxxing. Also, the act of doxxing can often be an invasion of privacy as well. You're way off base here.</p><p></p><p>TO BE absolutely clear: I would expect that you would notify the authorities if you have information regarding a crime, whether that crime is shoplifting, robbery, murder, or harassment. This is good. However, it is not good to just release the names of people you suspect are guilty of a crime to the general public for the purposes of enabling the public to address the perp. That's not kosher.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Legal harassment is not always the same as the common usage of the word harassment. For instance, if I call you a series of bad names here, that's not harassment. If I continue to do so over time, following you to other venues, that may be harassment. But if I just do it here, which is a publicly accessible place, then it's likely not harassment. But that pattern of non-illegal name calling is what's described as harassment, and it's the large part of the type of behavior we're discussing here. It's behavior that isn't illegal, but it's highly unwelcome, and is the kind of behavior that we wish to end. As horrible as it is, saying that you want to rape someone isn't illegal harassment. If you mail people rape threats, it is. If it crosses the threshold of a true threat (which mailing people rape threats can easily do, but anonymous posting on the internet has a very high bar), then that's also illegal. (TO BE CLEAR: any rape threat is horrible and shouldn't be tolerated, I'm just addressing the narrow deference between horrible but legal speech and illegal harassment).</p><p></p><p>You're playing bait and switch with words, again. For instance, describing a rape scene involving your new female player's character in graphic detail is clearly sexual harassment. It is not, however, illegal.</p><p></p><p>So, then, lynch mobs for those you deem worthy of them? </p><p></p><p>So, in the face of inadequate legal recourse for an illegal act... you expect folks to just sit there and take it? Are you trying to tell us that people don't have a right to self defense when the cops aren't willing or able to intervene?</p></blockquote><p>What on Earth gave you the idea that you should sit and take it? I've been clear and adamant that harassment must be confronted. However, I've also said that means matter, and turning the tables so that your presumed harassers can be harassed by others because you doxxed them is not morally good. It's catharitc, perhaps, and if your only criteria for using doxxing is that it satisfies your primal need for vengeance, then I suppose that's an excellent example of how you're really not interested in solving the issue, you're just interested in getting an emotional payout, whoever it hurts.</p><p></p><p>And you will hurt people. The number of people that have been incorrectly doxxed and abused for things they didn't do continues to grow. Yes, a lot of bad actors have also been doxxed, and you might get some vicarious joy out of watching the pile-on, but I adhere to the founding principle of our justice system - better a guilty man get away with it than an innocent man suffer. We aren't perfect on this, by any stretch, but it's still a founding principle. And doxxing completely ignores that principle to whip up the lynch mob of public opinion. I cannot morally support that.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 6885360, member: 16814"] No. Absolutely not. Doxxing is releasing that information to the public, not to the authorities. If you're talking about calling the police and giving information you have, that's one thing, but it's not doxxing. Also, the act of doxxing can often be an invasion of privacy as well. You're way off base here. TO BE absolutely clear: I would expect that you would notify the authorities if you have information regarding a crime, whether that crime is shoplifting, robbery, murder, or harassment. This is good. However, it is not good to just release the names of people you suspect are guilty of a crime to the general public for the purposes of enabling the public to address the perp. That's not kosher. Legal harassment is not always the same as the common usage of the word harassment. For instance, if I call you a series of bad names here, that's not harassment. If I continue to do so over time, following you to other venues, that may be harassment. But if I just do it here, which is a publicly accessible place, then it's likely not harassment. But that pattern of non-illegal name calling is what's described as harassment, and it's the large part of the type of behavior we're discussing here. It's behavior that isn't illegal, but it's highly unwelcome, and is the kind of behavior that we wish to end. As horrible as it is, saying that you want to rape someone isn't illegal harassment. If you mail people rape threats, it is. If it crosses the threshold of a true threat (which mailing people rape threats can easily do, but anonymous posting on the internet has a very high bar), then that's also illegal. (TO BE CLEAR: any rape threat is horrible and shouldn't be tolerated, I'm just addressing the narrow deference between horrible but legal speech and illegal harassment). You're playing bait and switch with words, again. For instance, describing a rape scene involving your new female player's character in graphic detail is clearly sexual harassment. It is not, however, illegal. So, then, lynch mobs for those you deem worthy of them? So, in the face of inadequate legal recourse for an illegal act... you expect folks to just sit there and take it? Are you trying to tell us that people don't have a right to self defense when the cops aren't willing or able to intervene?[/QUOTE] What on Earth gave you the idea that you should sit and take it? I've been clear and adamant that harassment must be confronted. However, I've also said that means matter, and turning the tables so that your presumed harassers can be harassed by others because you doxxed them is not morally good. It's catharitc, perhaps, and if your only criteria for using doxxing is that it satisfies your primal need for vengeance, then I suppose that's an excellent example of how you're really not interested in solving the issue, you're just interested in getting an emotional payout, whoever it hurts. And you will hurt people. The number of people that have been incorrectly doxxed and abused for things they didn't do continues to grow. Yes, a lot of bad actors have also been doxxed, and you might get some vicarious joy out of watching the pile-on, but I adhere to the founding principle of our justice system - better a guilty man get away with it than an innocent man suffer. We aren't perfect on this, by any stretch, but it's still a founding principle. And doxxing completely ignores that principle to whip up the lynch mob of public opinion. I cannot morally support that. [/QUOTE]
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