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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 6891462" data-attributes="member: 8835">Let's consider this from the game shop or convention setting and the author's point that people need to stand up and say something when a group member misbehaves.So we're at the game shop, you (any reader, not just Umbran), me and Danny are playing a game.&nbsp; A woman walks in and I say something crude involving her and my THAC0 that could be considered offensive, sexist and just wrong on non-euclidean geometry levels.What can you and should you do (in a non-violent, legal response)?One of the things to consider in this example, is that YOU are not an authority figure, you are just a customer like me.&nbsp; But you are a Third Party, per Umbran's framing.Personally, I think when we witness such an incident, the simplest thing we need to do is call it out and say that's not acceptable.&nbsp; It may be less confrontational to quietly get up and leave or go talk to the manager, but I think the woman might appreciate seeing the bad behavior put down by &quot;peers&quot; immediately.&nbsp; Which is something that sounds like doesn't happen in most women's experience.And no, I don't go making statements like that to women at all, ever.&nbsp; I just used me as the bad guy so we can work from something concrete.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Janx, post: 6891462, member: 8835"] Let's consider this from the game shop or convention setting and the author's point that people need to stand up and say something when a group member misbehaves. So we're at the game shop, you (any reader, not just Umbran), me and Danny are playing a game. A woman walks in and I say something crude involving her and my THAC0 that could be considered offensive, sexist and just wrong on non-euclidean geometry levels. What can you and should you do (in a non-violent, legal response)? One of the things to consider in this example, is that YOU are not an authority figure, you are just a customer like me. But you are a Third Party, per Umbran's framing. Personally, I think when we witness such an incident, the simplest thing we need to do is call it out and say that's not acceptable. It may be less confrontational to quietly get up and leave or go talk to the manager, but I think the woman might appreciate seeing the bad behavior put down by "peers" immediately. Which is something that sounds like doesn't happen in most women's experience. And no, I don't go making statements like that to women at all, ever. I just used me as the bad guy so we can work from something concrete. [/QUOTE]

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