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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 4835173" data-attributes="member: 11697">It's the appeal to authority going on before any evidence, and then no truly objective figures being given to solidify a specific view on the state of 4e, 3pp, etc. that's trumping much discussion. In my industry for instance, if I write a paper in the journal Cell* and I try to support a finding, not only do I have to provide the data I'm using to justify my analysis and conclusions, I state any possible conflicts of interest (ie I'm getting funding from so and so, etc).We're not at the point of '4e is doing awesome because I said so and you should trust me because of who I am' like trying to support the fairness of an Iranian election and vote count, but so far we have a large amount of 'from my perspective I believe this, so trust me'.*ignoring that to get published in Cell at this stage of my career I probably need pictures of the editors in bed with other peoples' spouses</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 4835173, member: 11697"] It's the appeal to authority going on before any evidence, and then no truly objective figures being given to solidify a specific view on the state of 4e, 3pp, etc. that's trumping much discussion. In my industry for instance, if I write a paper in the journal Cell* and I try to support a finding, not only do I have to provide the data I'm using to justify my analysis and conclusions, I state any possible conflicts of interest (ie I'm getting funding from so and so, etc). We're not at the point of '4e is doing awesome because I said so and you should trust me because of who I am' like trying to support the fairness of an Iranian election and vote count, but so far we have a large amount of 'from my perspective I believe this, so trust me'. *ignoring that to get published in Cell at this stage of my career I probably need pictures of the editors in bed with other peoples' spouses [/QUOTE]

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