Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Hard sci-fi question: rotational artificial gravity space station
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 6880162" data-attributes="member: 13107"><p>I'd think that whether an existing structure could be extended would depend a lot on how the initial structure was build. If the initial structure wasn't built to be extended, adding to it might be very hard. I'm considering, for example, adding a whole new layer of roads to an existing bridge. I'm thinking that for most bridges, that would be very hard, because the bridge design was done as a whole, with the design fit very carefully to having just one roadbed. Similarly a space station might be hard to extend. But it would really depend on the initial engineering.</p><p></p><p>This seems to be a bit of a quibble. There seems to be no reason a-priori that you couldn't have multiple layers, or not have multiple layers. I would prefer a structure with several layers, if not a dozen or more, if the material physics allows it, simply because the structure seems more robust, and you get a lot more living space that way.</p><p></p><p>In any case, any modifications would need to preserve the mass distribution so the entire structure didn't wobble or have undue stress in any area. But that's no different in principle than adjusting weights in a plane or on a boat to adjust the center of gravity of the vehicle, and can mostly go unstated.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if three or four element structures would work out better or worse than two. I just know that one by itself has problems. I can imagine that the physics that applies to two cylinders could be applied to an ensemble of three or more, except I don't know how well balancing the rotations would work with an odd number of cylinders.</p><p></p><p>To keep this straightforward: Both a cylinder and a torus can be made to work, with the caveat that there is a minimum size which means the cylinder might have to be very big, and that a single spinning structure is hard to turn. (I wonder how that is fixed for a single torus, or if these would be designed to have two parallel parts spinning in opposite directions.) And there are a lot of options for the particulars of the structure, including how many layers and whether there is a corridor running down the middle, or if there are round or flat end caps, or if a torus is built with multiple parallel rings, some smaller and with lesser gravity and others larger and with more gravity.</p><p></p><p>A problem which we have not discussed is protection from radiation. That either limits where the structure is put (inside the magnetic belt of the earth) or requires quite a bit of shielding on the outside to provide protection (I've read that a structure could be built from material sent from the moon via linear accelerator, with unused/waste material put on the outside as a protective layer.)</p><p></p><p>What I've read as a way to bootstrap all of this is to build a base on the moon which would be a combination mine/solar power array/linear accelerator, to send materials to one of the Lagrange points, then build big O'Neal cylinders there as habitats and factories, with the eventual goal, in part, to manufacture power satellites which would transmit sunlight converted to microwaves to the surface.</p><p></p><p>Anyways,</p><p>TomB</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 6880162, member: 13107"] I'd think that whether an existing structure could be extended would depend a lot on how the initial structure was build. If the initial structure wasn't built to be extended, adding to it might be very hard. I'm considering, for example, adding a whole new layer of roads to an existing bridge. I'm thinking that for most bridges, that would be very hard, because the bridge design was done as a whole, with the design fit very carefully to having just one roadbed. Similarly a space station might be hard to extend. But it would really depend on the initial engineering. This seems to be a bit of a quibble. There seems to be no reason a-priori that you couldn't have multiple layers, or not have multiple layers. I would prefer a structure with several layers, if not a dozen or more, if the material physics allows it, simply because the structure seems more robust, and you get a lot more living space that way. In any case, any modifications would need to preserve the mass distribution so the entire structure didn't wobble or have undue stress in any area. But that's no different in principle than adjusting weights in a plane or on a boat to adjust the center of gravity of the vehicle, and can mostly go unstated. I don't know if three or four element structures would work out better or worse than two. I just know that one by itself has problems. I can imagine that the physics that applies to two cylinders could be applied to an ensemble of three or more, except I don't know how well balancing the rotations would work with an odd number of cylinders. To keep this straightforward: Both a cylinder and a torus can be made to work, with the caveat that there is a minimum size which means the cylinder might have to be very big, and that a single spinning structure is hard to turn. (I wonder how that is fixed for a single torus, or if these would be designed to have two parallel parts spinning in opposite directions.) And there are a lot of options for the particulars of the structure, including how many layers and whether there is a corridor running down the middle, or if there are round or flat end caps, or if a torus is built with multiple parallel rings, some smaller and with lesser gravity and others larger and with more gravity. A problem which we have not discussed is protection from radiation. That either limits where the structure is put (inside the magnetic belt of the earth) or requires quite a bit of shielding on the outside to provide protection (I've read that a structure could be built from material sent from the moon via linear accelerator, with unused/waste material put on the outside as a protective layer.) What I've read as a way to bootstrap all of this is to build a base on the moon which would be a combination mine/solar power array/linear accelerator, to send materials to one of the Lagrange points, then build big O'Neal cylinders there as habitats and factories, with the eventual goal, in part, to manufacture power satellites which would transmit sunlight converted to microwaves to the surface. Anyways, TomB [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Hard sci-fi question: rotational artificial gravity space station
Top