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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1430375" data-attributes="member: 1656">There's a difference between an explicit cap, and simply the most you can roll on 5d6.If Shocking Grasp stated that it dealt 5d6 damage, but could never deal more than 20 points of damage, then on a critical you'd roll 5d6 doubled... capped at 20.  An Empowered Shocking Grasp would deal 5d6 x1.5... but would cap at 20.With the Empower Spell feat, you can roll more than 30 damage on 5d6... even though you've stopped adding extra dice at 5th level.  But if there's an explicit limit, it doesn't matter that you can roll 45 on 5d6... you still have to come under the limit.It's like an Empowered Mirror Image.  Your number of images is 1d4 + 1/3 caster levels, x1.5... but there's still a maximum of 8.-Hyp.</blockquote>