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<blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 264309" data-attributes="member: 221">I think the problems people are having here is one of communication.&nbsp; And the problem is in the unfortunate choice of &quot;phraseology&quot; that some are employeeing.&nbsp; The continued use of these phrases and ideas will only lead to more flames.&nbsp; Please Note:#1) The mere use of the phrase, &quot;lowest common denominator,&quot; is insulting.&nbsp; The lowest common denominator of humanity barbeque kittens and kidnap and murder 5 year olds.&nbsp; Intellectually, the lowest common denominator are those who are the least intelligent.&nbsp; No mass produced role-playing game caters to this crowd.&nbsp; #2) 3e DnD does not resemble a video game, nor does it resemble Diablo.&nbsp; Read some of the story hours.&nbsp; The fact that one levels in the game does not mean that it borrows from video games in which a player grows ever more powerful.&nbsp; Just the opposite, those games borrowed from DnD which did it first.&nbsp; This is a time honored part of the game/genre that was around long before video games were even thought of.&nbsp; Moreover - to insist that leveling makes the game less intellectual or more adolescent is plain silly.&nbsp; This is not fact.&nbsp; This is the statement of opinion and should be prefaced as such.&nbsp; Moreover to keep insisting that all DnD players have some sort of video game mentality is demeaning and insulting.&nbsp; &nbsp;You may believe, and maybe rightfully so (I don't really know), that Harn is a better game or setting.&nbsp; But if you cannot make the point without insulting the games and/or playing styles of others, then you should leave the explaining to others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wicht, post: 264309, member: 221"] I think the problems people are having here is one of communication. And the problem is in the unfortunate choice of "phraseology" that some are employeeing. The continued use of these phrases and ideas will only lead to more flames. Please Note: #1) The mere use of the phrase, "lowest common denominator," is insulting. The lowest common denominator of humanity barbeque kittens and kidnap and murder 5 year olds. Intellectually, the lowest common denominator are those who are the least intelligent. No mass produced role-playing game caters to this crowd. #2) 3e DnD does not resemble a video game, nor does it resemble Diablo. Read some of the story hours. The fact that one levels in the game does not mean that it borrows from video games in which a player grows ever more powerful. Just the opposite, those games borrowed from DnD which did it first. This is a time honored part of the game/genre that was around long before video games were even thought of. Moreover - to insist that leveling makes the game less intellectual or more adolescent is plain silly. This is not fact. This is the statement of opinion and should be prefaced as such. Moreover to keep insisting that all DnD players have some sort of video game mentality is demeaning and insulting. You may believe, and maybe rightfully so (I don't really know), that Harn is a better game or setting. But if you cannot make the point without insulting the games and/or playing styles of others, then you should leave the explaining to others. [/QUOTE]

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