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<blockquote data-quote="Warchild" data-source="post: 264707" data-attributes="member: 769"><p>I think KK is getting jumped on a bit unfairly. A little bit, anyway. I've seen many of his posts. Though he is quite outspoken and ocassionally...boisterous in stating his views, i don't think i've read any real malice or anger in his posts. Just vigor.</p><p>I do think he could benefit from going over his post a second time(or third if he already does) before hitting the reply button. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I think saying the D20 isn't a "power up game" is shading the issue. It was created to model the Matrix type fantasy games, IM-ever so-HO. Cleaving through hoards of opponents or calling down meteor clouds certaintly sounds like it fits the bill to me (Diablo and Final Fantasy anyone). I don't see anything wrong with it. I think 3E was created to model action movies and some computer games. I don't see where this some huge insult. Or even fully a marketing ploy. I think it was supposed to be fun. I'm not a hundred percent on it, but i think i'll stick to my guns on that opinion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Sure you change parts of it, who the heck doesn't? But the default is high fantasy/action.</p><p></p><p>I've read though some Harn material in my days and the system is certaintly heavily geared to low-magic grit. Its a very different style than CORE/default D&D (whichever edition). No big deal. Again, i see no insult here. I personally like grittier settings (my gaming group isn't so much into them, however) and think it can certaintly be done with D20. It would take work however, because a mood change alone would not suffice. Quite a bit of rules tweaking would be needed as CORE (or STOCK if thats not too insulting maybe) D&D is not set up to work this way. Again, i don't see some big insult there.</p><p>That said, I really don't see where Harn requires all that much intellect to understand. Thats a bit of self-aggrandizement on the part of Harn patriots if you ask me. The same would go with Rolemaster. As someone has already said, you need diligence, more than intelligence. </p><p></p><p>But, opinions are nothing, if not equally worthless!! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>EDIT: Damn typos........</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warchild, post: 264707, member: 769"] I think KK is getting jumped on a bit unfairly. A little bit, anyway. I've seen many of his posts. Though he is quite outspoken and ocassionally...boisterous in stating his views, i don't think i've read any real malice or anger in his posts. Just vigor. I do think he could benefit from going over his post a second time(or third if he already does) before hitting the reply button. :) I think saying the D20 isn't a "power up game" is shading the issue. It was created to model the Matrix type fantasy games, IM-ever so-HO. Cleaving through hoards of opponents or calling down meteor clouds certaintly sounds like it fits the bill to me (Diablo and Final Fantasy anyone). I don't see anything wrong with it. I think 3E was created to model action movies and some computer games. I don't see where this some huge insult. Or even fully a marketing ploy. I think it was supposed to be fun. I'm not a hundred percent on it, but i think i'll stick to my guns on that opinion. :) Sure you change parts of it, who the heck doesn't? But the default is high fantasy/action. I've read though some Harn material in my days and the system is certaintly heavily geared to low-magic grit. Its a very different style than CORE/default D&D (whichever edition). No big deal. Again, i see no insult here. I personally like grittier settings (my gaming group isn't so much into them, however) and think it can certaintly be done with D20. It would take work however, because a mood change alone would not suffice. Quite a bit of rules tweaking would be needed as CORE (or STOCK if thats not too insulting maybe) D&D is not set up to work this way. Again, i don't see some big insult there. That said, I really don't see where Harn requires all that much intellect to understand. Thats a bit of self-aggrandizement on the part of Harn patriots if you ask me. The same would go with Rolemaster. As someone has already said, you need diligence, more than intelligence. But, opinions are nothing, if not equally worthless!! :p EDIT: Damn typos........ [/QUOTE]
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