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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lunn" data-source="post: 177350" data-attributes="member: 943">I have played HarnMaster for many years and have played all the editions.  Is it better than D20/3E?  Well that all depends on the type of campaign and level of magic you want.HarnMaster is very good if you want a low magic system that deal with combat very well.  But combat can be very slow.  A encounter with more than 4 PCs and 4 monsters of the same skills could take more than 2 real hours to complete.  If you wish to run a battle with 6 PCs against 30 Gargun's (think goblins), then the battle might take 6+ hours to complete.Combat can also be very deadly.  If you use the straight rules on IP, your skills ARMs and DRMs will drop very fast.  There are a number of Harn websites that list rules mods.Like I said, my group and I played HM for many years.  It can be a fun game.  One of my campaigns lasted over 2 real years and went for over 7 game years.  It centered on a young knight and his retainers building his new manor.  Some of my players still look back fondly on that campaign.Harn the campaign setting is one of the best, with the best maps of any game.  But when 3E came out, my group switched.  Why?  We were just ready for it.</blockquote>