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<blockquote data-quote="TruffleGrubber" data-source="post: 178177" data-attributes="member: 4463">I use Harnmaster Core(aka 2nd ED) plus Patrick's House Rules Pro (with some modification) which can be found at his <a href="http://www.swordsandshields.org/" target="_blank">Swords &amp; Shields</a> website (along with tons of other good Harnic information and downloads).&nbsp; I find that the system runs extremely well for my games, which are not combat laden.&nbsp; Combat does seem, at first, complex but it is no more so (IMHO less) than d20.&nbsp; In HM Combat, after you and your players get the process down, everything is done pretty much the same way every time, unlike d20, in which (at higher levels) all sorts of feats can come into play adding modifiers, granting extra attacks if this or that happens, etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; I like d20 for High Fantasy games, but IMHO it is ill suited to adapt to Harn (beleive me I tried).&nbsp; It works well to get people hooked into Harn, but once that is done I would switch to a system better suited for Harn, such as Harnmaster, Chivalry &amp; Sorcery or Ars Magica.&nbsp; Of course this just my opinion, there is an extremely successful d20 (iirc) Harn game being run called &quot;Nolomar Rising&quot; details of which can be found at Shane's <a href="http://www.dndharnguide.addr.com/campaigns.htm" target="_blank">The Shadow of Burkai</a> site.&nbsp; The major problem I had with d20 and Harn is meshing a magic system that I felt fit the setting into d20.&nbsp; After nearly getting ulcers over it, I just decided to hit my players with Harnmaster and be done with it.&nbsp; They all seem to be happy with the system and the transition went very smooth (despite them nearly disembowling me when I first proposed the idea).&nbsp; Also on the d20 note, I'm currently in the process of doing Harn d20 lst files for PCGen (actually due to a couple of mundane factors its been on hold for the past few weeks) and plan to have them done in the next month or two.&nbsp; When it comes down to it however, no matter what system you decide to use, Harn is perhaps the best low-fantasy setting to be found and has one of the best communities around.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TruffleGrubber, post: 178177, member: 4463"] I use Harnmaster Core(aka 2nd ED) plus Patrick's House Rules Pro (with some modification) which can be found at his [URL=http://www.swordsandshields.org/]Swords & Shields[/URL] website (along with tons of other good Harnic information and downloads). I find that the system runs extremely well for my games, which are not combat laden. Combat does seem, at first, complex but it is no more so (IMHO less) than d20. In HM Combat, after you and your players get the process down, everything is done pretty much the same way every time, unlike d20, in which (at higher levels) all sorts of feats can come into play adding modifiers, granting extra attacks if this or that happens, etc. I like d20 for High Fantasy games, but IMHO it is ill suited to adapt to Harn (beleive me I tried). It works well to get people hooked into Harn, but once that is done I would switch to a system better suited for Harn, such as Harnmaster, Chivalry & Sorcery or Ars Magica. Of course this just my opinion, there is an extremely successful d20 (iirc) Harn game being run called "Nolomar Rising" details of which can be found at Shane's [URL=http://www.dndharnguide.addr.com/campaigns.htm]The Shadow of Burkai[/URL] site. The major problem I had with d20 and Harn is meshing a magic system that I felt fit the setting into d20. After nearly getting ulcers over it, I just decided to hit my players with Harnmaster and be done with it. They all seem to be happy with the system and the transition went very smooth (despite them nearly disembowling me when I first proposed the idea). Also on the d20 note, I'm currently in the process of doing Harn d20 lst files for PCGen (actually due to a couple of mundane factors its been on hold for the past few weeks) and plan to have them done in the next month or two. When it comes down to it however, no matter what system you decide to use, Harn is perhaps the best low-fantasy setting to be found and has one of the best communities around. [/QUOTE]

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