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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moggthegob" data-source="post: 4439238" data-attributes="member: 49515">Well I dont know about rift,but I know that, as a result of 4e 3 gaming groups I played in fell apart leaving only the one, which is currently playing Star Wars and Pathfinder, with a C&C sidebar we pick up between ideas.But the other groups, for lack of an agreement on what to play and a quorum of people left  to play it , yeah it hurt.Also, I know my FLGS was hutin really bad by 4e before it even came out, due to the announcement killing the number of DnD customers in his shop and absolutely murdering his already meager profits( as the DnD players came in to play the game and would end up buying comic books, magic cards, books dice, miniatures and now since they dont come in to play, they dont come in at all.).</blockquote>