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Message: <blockquote data-quote="joethelawyer" data-source="post: 4760618" data-attributes="member: 55764">YES!!!!  You're Jedi Mind-Reading Skills have grown STRONG!The ultimate answer I was trying to get at is---if I used a Pathfinder slow XP based game, where I awarded xp for both gold and magic items, how much XP is each monster worth, if I wanted to keep xp progression  equivalent or close to how it was with AD&D?Here is something I put together in a spreadsheet to help me get the basics down, and organize my thoughts.  Feel free to add to it or use it.  I wanted to know, using a baseline common to all systems, how many kills does it take under each system to level?  So I averaged all the 10 classes xp tables together to get an average AD&D XP needed for each level.  I compared that to the Pathfinder slow XP chart, as well as 3.0/3.5's base xp table, on sheet 1 of the Excel Spreadsheet.The next sheet breaks out, using orc XP as the common denominator, how many orc kills does it take to level under AD&D using AD&D orc xp as compared to Pathfinder slow progression using AD&D orc xp.  Next to that, as per the 3.5 DMG, is the 1/2 CR orc xp, to calculate under Pathfinder slow and the 3.0/3.5 XP tables, how many orcs does it take to level up each level?  I could only do these to level 8, because beyond that level you dont get xp for such low CR monsters in 3.0/3.5.  In AD&D even at 20th level you got 15 xp for an orc kill.  As a total percentage of your xp at that level it was miniscule, since AD&D's xp needed for higher levels were massively more than what's needed in 3.0/3.5.Lastly, since AD&D used GP and magic items kept as XP, I figured a good way to truly compare the systems on an "orc killed" basis is to deduct the XP gained from non-combat XP from the equation, to see how many orcs are truly needed to level in each system.  That number is modifiable if you just change the percentage.  I remember readig somewhere that in AD&D 20% of the xp gained came from combat, 80% from gp, magic items, and miscellaneous. That figure felt accurate from my memory of that game.What I determined by doing this spreadsheet is that I basically could use the Pathfinder slow xp progression tables, and use the AD&D monster manual xp awards, in order to keep PF level progression close to AD&D.  Pathfinder slow is harder than AD&D in the early levels, meaning it takes more orc kills to level, and easier than AD&D at later levels.  Even that can be taken care of by using the percentage difference as a multiplier to the AD&D monster manual xp awards.The only factors to take into consideration would be how certain monsters are much tougher in 3.5 relative to PC levels than they were under AD&D.  In that case, since there is not a system like you outlined above (AD&D's system, basically ) to determine XP on a monster-by-monster basis for 3.5, I will just have to wing it, and add bonus xp where needed.What do you think?</blockquote>

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