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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mvincent" data-source="post: 3745336" data-attributes="member: 27034">By adding "if desired" to my post I am excluding you. This was a previously agreed upon method to avoid such negativity.Note that the <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20060418a" target="_blank">RotG</a> also says:"When defining cantankerous, Patryn of Elvenshae is an excellent example" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> From the 3.5 FAQ:"The description of the flurry of blows ability saysthere’s no such thing as a monk attacking with an off-handweapon during a flurry of blows. What does that mean,exactly? Can the monk make off-hand attacks in addition toflurry attacks?Actually, the text to which you refer appears in the entryfor unarmed strikes. When a monk uses her unarmed strikeability, she does not suffer any penalty for an off-hand attack,even when she has her hands full and attacks with her kneesand elbows, using the flurry of blows ability to make extraattacks, or both.The rules don’t come right out and say that a monk can’tuse an unarmed strike for an off-hand strike (although the exactwording of the unarmed strike ability suggests otherwise), andno compelling reason why a monk could not do so exists.When using an unarmed strike as an off-hand attack, the monksuffers all the usual attack penalties from two-weapon fighting(see Table 8–10 in the Player’s Handbook) and the monk addsonly half her Strength bonus (if any) to damage if the off-handunarmed strike hits.To add an off-hand attack to a flurry of blows, stackwhatever two-weapon penalty the monk has with the penalty (ifany) from the flurry. Attacks from the flurry have the monk’sfull damage bonus from Strength, but the off-hand attack gainsonly half Strength bonus to damage. If the off-hand attack is aweapon, that weapon isn’t available for use in the flurry (if itcan be used in a flurry at all, see the previous question). Forexample, a 4th-level monk with the Two-Weapon Fighting featand a Strength score of 14 decides to use a flurry of blows anddecides to throw in an off-hand attack as well. The monk has abase attack bonus of +3 and a +2 Strength bonus. With a flurry,the character can make two attacks, each at +3 (base +3, –2flurry, +2 Strength). An unarmed strike is a light weapon, sothe monk suffers an additional –2 penalty for both the flurryand the off-hand attack, and the monk makes three attacks,each at an attack bonus of +1. The two attacks from the flurryare primary attacks and add the monk’s full Strength bonus todamage of +2. The single off-hand attack adds half the monk’sStrength bonus to damage (+1).If the monk in our example has two sais to use with theflurry, plus the off-hand attack, she can use both in the flurry(in which case she must make the off-hand attack with anunarmed strike) or one sai for the off-hand attack and one withthe flurry. The sai used in the off-hand attack is not availablefor the flurry and vice versa."Other posters in his thread (and the players in all games I've played) seem to feel different. Mind you, I have no vested interest in how you play, but if you asked any of the designers, I'm fairly certain how most of them would answer.</blockquote>

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