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Has anyone done the math on 2H weapon vs unarmed TWF?
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<blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 3746075" data-attributes="member: 1190"><p>Honestly, there is no way to answer the question without more information, as someone mentioned above. So to help you out, I will make up the "more information" for you.</p><p></p><p>Let's assume both have STR 26 (+8) (not unreasonable at 21st level) and +5 magic. Both are fighters and have the Frost property on their weapons (great sword in the case of the 2H guy and gauntlets in the case of the brawler). They are fighting a balor (CR 20), DR 15 cold iron and good</p><p></p><p>With the information we have, the brawler has 8 attacks, 4 dealing 1d3 (2) + 13 +1d6 (3.5) damage and 4 dealing 1d3 (2) + 9 +1d6 (3.5) (+32/+32/+27/+27/+22/+22/+17/+17; I assume these are the attacks you're referring to). On average (attack role of 11), the brawler will hit the balor's AC of 35 4 times out of 8 dealing, on average 18.5 - 15 3.5 + 18.5 - 15 + 14.5 -15 + 14.5 - 15 = <strong>7 points of damage</strong>. <span style="color: Sienna">If the gauntlets were cold iron and holy (+7 average per hit) this would jump to 51+43 or <strong>94 damage</strong> in a round.</span></p><p></p><p>The 2H fighter has 4 attacks +34/+29/+24/+19 dealing 2d6 (7) + 12 + 1d6 (3.5) (22.5) per hit. He will hit 3 of the 4 hits dealing 22.5 - 15 + 22.5 - 15 + 22.5 - 15 = <strong>22.5 points of damage.</strong> <span style="color: Sienna">If the sword were cold iron and holy, he would deal 29.5 x 3 or <strong>88.5 damage</strong> in a round.</span></p><p></p><p>By these numbers, the 2H guy is in better shape over all. He only deals 5.5 points less on average than the 2 fist guy under optimum conditions and blows the 2 fist guy out of the water when the DR is involved.</p><p></p><p>Now give the brawler a higher damage die and this will change. The low damage die of the brawler is all that saves the 2H guy when neither has to worry about DR. Of course, the 2H guy only needs a single +8 cold iron greatsword (130,400 gp) while the brawler needs 2 gauntlets +8 (260,608 gp total) in order to deal this amount of damage. Additionally, the 2H guy could get away with a +5 sword (ditching the cold and holy) and still deal damage on average, while the brawler without one or the other ends up dealing so little damage on average that the balor's DR cancels it out.</p><p></p><p>DC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DreamChaser, post: 3746075, member: 1190"] Honestly, there is no way to answer the question without more information, as someone mentioned above. So to help you out, I will make up the "more information" for you. Let's assume both have STR 26 (+8) (not unreasonable at 21st level) and +5 magic. Both are fighters and have the Frost property on their weapons (great sword in the case of the 2H guy and gauntlets in the case of the brawler). They are fighting a balor (CR 20), DR 15 cold iron and good With the information we have, the brawler has 8 attacks, 4 dealing 1d3 (2) + 13 +1d6 (3.5) damage and 4 dealing 1d3 (2) + 9 +1d6 (3.5) (+32/+32/+27/+27/+22/+22/+17/+17; I assume these are the attacks you're referring to). On average (attack role of 11), the brawler will hit the balor's AC of 35 4 times out of 8 dealing, on average 18.5 - 15 3.5 + 18.5 - 15 + 14.5 -15 + 14.5 - 15 = [B]7 points of damage[/B]. [COLOR=Sienna]If the gauntlets were cold iron and holy (+7 average per hit) this would jump to 51+43 or [B]94 damage[/B] in a round.[/COLOR] The 2H fighter has 4 attacks +34/+29/+24/+19 dealing 2d6 (7) + 12 + 1d6 (3.5) (22.5) per hit. He will hit 3 of the 4 hits dealing 22.5 - 15 + 22.5 - 15 + 22.5 - 15 = [B]22.5 points of damage.[/B] [COLOR=Sienna]If the sword were cold iron and holy, he would deal 29.5 x 3 or [B]88.5 damage[/B] in a round.[/COLOR] By these numbers, the 2H guy is in better shape over all. He only deals 5.5 points less on average than the 2 fist guy under optimum conditions and blows the 2 fist guy out of the water when the DR is involved. Now give the brawler a higher damage die and this will change. The low damage die of the brawler is all that saves the 2H guy when neither has to worry about DR. Of course, the 2H guy only needs a single +8 cold iron greatsword (130,400 gp) while the brawler needs 2 gauntlets +8 (260,608 gp total) in order to deal this amount of damage. Additionally, the 2H guy could get away with a +5 sword (ditching the cold and holy) and still deal damage on average, while the brawler without one or the other ends up dealing so little damage on average that the balor's DR cancels it out. DC [/QUOTE]
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